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Putin Says West Aiming to ‘Tear Apart’ Russia Russia/Ukraine
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/25/putin-says-west-aiming-to-tear-apart-russia-a797988.2k
u/BigManScaramouche
Dec 25 '22
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I did not invade Ukraine, It's a special operation, I did not invade it, I did nooooot!
...oh, hi Xi
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u/polygon_tacos Dec 25 '22
“So anyway, how’s your sex life?”
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u/Show-Me-Your-Moves Dec 25 '22
"Lockdown? Ahaha what a story!"
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u/polygon_tacos Dec 25 '22
“She got COVID so bad she ended up in a hospital on Guerrero street.”
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u/Wishilikedhugs Dec 25 '22
"I'll have a dozen broken tanks plz"
"O hai, Putin, I didn't know that was you."
"That's me."
"That'll be 18 rubles"
"Here you go, keep the change. Hai doggy."
"You're my favorite dictator."
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u/TheVolunteer0002
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"You have done that yourself"
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Dec 25 '22 edited 15d ago
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u/Karl2241 Dec 25 '22
General Kenobi
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u/pikachu191 Dec 25 '22
"So uncivilized"
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u/Palpou Dec 25 '22 edited Dec 25 '22
"Ah yes, the Negotiator"
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u/bvttfvcker Dec 25 '22
“You were right about one thing, master. The negotiations were short.”
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u/Socrathustra Dec 25 '22
shoots Russia
Why would the West do this?"
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Dec 25 '22
Just as a FYI, Putin did gain power in Russia from staging a terrorist attack. False flagged himself into dictator.
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u/centipededamascus Dec 26 '22
They were caught red-handed doing it too, and they still somehow managed to sweep it under the rug. It's so wild.
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Dec 26 '22
Like republicans and Jan 6th. Those people still think Democrats are worse then the people that tried to overthrow an election.
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u/DonkeyBlonkey Dec 25 '22
"Don't make me kill you"
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u/A-Good-Weather-Man Dec 25 '22
“I will do what i must”
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u/JosephKurr Dec 25 '22
You will try
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u/Rentington Dec 25 '22
It's over, Putin. I have the (Moral) high ground.
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u/magnificentshambles Dec 25 '22
You underestimate my (nuclear) power.
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u/dysphoric-foresight Dec 25 '22
Yeah NATO isn’t “aiming” at anything - that’s just another Russian misfire.
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u/claimTheVictory Dec 25 '22
Russia has lost over 100k men, over half its equipment, and its economy is in shambles.
NATO hasn't arrived yet.
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u/Kolby_Jack Dec 25 '22
"Don't go into that bear cave, there's a bear in there and it isn't doing anything wrong."
"Fuck you, I'm going into that bear cave."
"RAAAAAWR"
"AAAAAAAAGH AAAUUUAUAAAUGH YOU WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN, WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS?!"
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u/Lognipo Dec 25 '22
I knew a guy just like that, once. Worst human being I have ever encountered. You say it like a caricature, but this dude would say exactly that kind of shit and be totally serious. They exist, and it is scary.
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u/Smash_N_Devour Dec 25 '22
I have brought war and instability to my old empire!
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u/wnose Dec 25 '22
Poor Putin now posing as victim
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u/SeaToShy Dec 25 '22
That’s been Russian standard practice for hundreds of years at this point.
All empires do it. Rome used the same bullshit. 1. Creep outwards. 2. The people living on the border regions freak out and start organizing to prevent further encroachment. 3. Rome responds militarily to the new “threat” their expansion has created. “We’re just trying to secure our borders!” 4. Conquer and subjugate the new confederation your presence just created, establishing a new border further out. Repeat 1-4 as necessary.
Given that Russia views itself as the “third Rome,” this is very much in keeping with that tradition.
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u/UnloadTheBacon Dec 25 '22
"It's over, Putin. I have the [moral] high ground!" - Zelensky, probably.
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u/MitsyEyedMourning Dec 25 '22
It's true, our first act was to force Putin to activate his military and invade another country.
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u/Street-Badger Dec 25 '22 •
Somebody put shit in my pants!!
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u/LHandrel Dec 25 '22
I'm not sure if this is what you were referencing or if it's something else I'm not familiar with, but I feel obligated to share this for today's lucky 10,000.
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u/eganist Dec 25 '22
It's true, our first act was to force Putin to activate his military and invade another country.
You'd be surprised how many people truly and unironically believe this reasoning, and they justify it with the whole "but NATO was on Russia's doorstep" line
This, of course, ignores that NATO might've actually been repurposed or dissolved in an alternate timeline where democracy in Russia actually prevailed. It's literally all Putin's fault.
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u/RuneRW Dec 25 '22
"Zelensky is a US plant and caused Russia to invade by not being fully subservient"
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u/Caelinus Dec 25 '22
NATO was at its weakest before Russia started messing with Ukraine, all the members did not realistically feel threatened. People thought Putin was a selfish, narcissistic asshole, but they also thought he made rational decisions in seeking self aggrandize.
At this point Russia itself has been the single most effective agent for raising NATOs negotiation power. Most countries were against joining, but now basically everyone who is threatened wants in, and those who do not feel threatened likely will the moment Russia starts saying anything about them.
So Russia has simultaneously proven they are both much, much weaker than the average person thought, and also much, much more unstable. So everyone wants back on the EU and US boat, as while it is bad, it is not "sit outside your cities with millions of rounds of artillery in an attempt to murder all your civilians" bad.
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u/Cultural-Company282 Dec 25 '22
NATO was at its weakest before Russia started messing with Ukraine, all the members did not realistically feel threatened.
There literally was a time under Gorbachev when some serious-minded people were talking about Russia joining NATO. That would be unthinkable today.
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u/Rentington Dec 25 '22
Literally the tankie narrative. Namely, that NATO forced Putin to invade Ukraine, a move that happened to be plainly personally beneficial to Putin if it was successful. It's like Homer chomping air blaming the pie for getting eaten for standing in his way.
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u/Prime_Cat_Memes Dec 25 '22
It's all about money and being jealous of Ukraine's economy. I really think he tried to bluff and was hoping everyone would fold. Hes still trying to play his shit cards and Russians supporting him are doubling down with the lives of their own people. Can't wait till he gets kicked from the table.
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u/Boumeisha Dec 25 '22 •
There’s no need to rationalize the invasion in that way. It’s about Russian imperialism, plain and simple. There are practical sides to that, yes, but Russia would have been seeking to subjugate Ukraine once again regardless.
Putin and Russian propagandists have been clear about this. They do not see Ukraine as a legitimate nation, nor do they see Ukrainians as a separate people. Instead, they are a kind of primitive Russian people who’ve been misled and corrupted by the West, referred to in terms of Nazism and Satanism.
The ‘creation’ of Ukraine in their eyes is a historical mistake, which Putin considers his task to correct, likening himself to Peter the Great, who created the Russian Empire.
This is the real ‘threat’ of NATO. A Ukraine that is ‘neutral’ and under Russian influence is a Ukraine that be brought back into the fold. Russia can stake its claim and wait until the time is right to act on it. But a Ukraine that is aligned with the west is a threat to that imperial ambition. A Ukraine that is in NATO and the EU is a lost claim that can no longer be subjugated. And so Maidan forced Putin to act to maintain his claim, which he’s now acted upon.
Any Tankies or anyone else going on about the role of NATO in ‘provoking’ the war is referring to this. Ukraine, in their eyes, is not a sovereign nation, but the rightful property of Russia.
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u/Gezzer52 Dec 25 '22
This is the real answer.
Russia under Putin has been implementing virtually everything contained under the Foundations of Geopolitics. Which clearly states that the Ukraine should not be seen as a country separate from Russia. The book is essentially a checklist of how Russia will regain its dominance on the world stage. The current willingness to negotiate is both a way to retain Russia's current Ukraine territories and give Russia breathing room to make another attmept to bring the Ukraine under Russia rule. Ultimately all Russia will end up agreeing to is a cease in hostilities, and they'll suggest anything more is an attempt by the west to undermine Russia's desire for a peaceful resolution.
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u/Cultural-Company282 Dec 25 '22
I really think he tried to bluff and was hoping everyone would fold.
He thought Ukraine would crumble and the world would uncomfortably look away, just like everyone did when Russia annexed Crimea. He failed to factor in that Ukraine had massively improved their military since 2014, whereas Russia had continued to degrade. When Ukraine surprised everyone by valiantly holding on for the first few weeks, it encouraged the rest of the world to step up and support them instead of looking away again.
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u/AdventureBum Dec 25 '22
Not quite. That’s certainly a part of it, but Putin doesn’t feel that Ukraine has a right to exist and that it rightfully belongs to Russia. That’s the real reason for this war. Agreed on everything else.
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u/alienalf1 Dec 25 '22
Prick invades a country, commits war crimes and is then somehow a victim.
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u/smokedak Dec 25 '22
This guys a fucking joke
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u/stfleming1 Dec 25 '22
At least jokes make me laugh
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u/DigitalTomFoolery Dec 25 '22
He fell down the stairs and shit himself recently if that helps?
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u/KingoftheMongoose Dec 25 '22
Nice. Now let's see how he shits himself when he falls out of a window.
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u/MOOShoooooo Dec 25 '22
Staircases and a slight incline on a ramp are fascists biggest nemesis.
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u/BushMonsterInc Dec 25 '22
No, jokes are funny, this is just sad at this point. It like seeing geriatric Napoleon complex trying to relive glory days he never had.
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u/beepbeepbubblegum Dec 25 '22
It feels like every single day he's got something to say and I'm noticing they contradict each other. In a spam of a few days it's been reported that he wants peace with Ukraine and then like yesterday or the day before he said there will never be peace with Ukraine.
Like which one is it? The whole world is getting extremely tired of this charade.
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u/dotslashpunk Dec 25 '22
what he means is he wants ukraine to lay down their arms and let russia take over. You see this way everyone wins, ukrainian citizens stop getting murdered and russia just takes ukraine and treats everybody wonderfully. Easy peasy /s
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u/loobricated Dec 25 '22
He has transformed, within nine months, from someone perceived as some sort of evil mastermind playing 5d chess, tampering with the democracies in the West, to someone that looks like a raving incompetent buffoon, locked into a war he simply cannot win. It's staggering.
The Russian military has gone from being a feared force to being revealed as an incompetent catastrophic mess, with people now questioning whether their nuclear arsenal is in working order.
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u/backcountrydrifter
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Corruption is tearing apart Russia. The west just has to stand back and let it happen.
Russia is a gas station run by a mob. And the mob model is to give an oligarch crony a billion dollar tank maintenance contract and then wonder why all your tanks got a spray paint overhaul and your oligarch got a $900M yacht in Monaco.
This dumb bastard has isolated himself into a world of sycophants that are stealing from his mighty military as a matter of National pride. He couldn’t have created a better recipe for extinction if he tried
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u/SnarkLobster Dec 25 '22
Yeah! I bet that spray paint overhaul didn’t really cost $100M either!
Hey! The painter ripped us off!
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u/BellacosePlayer Dec 25 '22
The only thing they can blame the west on is us giving them some bullshit reaganomics horseshit policies as advice for liberalizing their economy in the 90s.
But even then they went way harder in on it than even the most RW American economists/policy makers advised, and instead of using the sale of state industry as a way to generate money to facilitate the transition, Yeltzin just turned it into a massive cash grab.
Putin's dogshit policies and decisions aren't the wests' fault.
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u/HotSpicyDisco Dec 25 '22
Remember when he personally ordered his government to mess with the western world's elections?
Turns out the western world wasn't too happy about that and doesn't mind seeing Russia get torn apart as they so very much deserve.
Let me pull out my tiny violin for ya Vlad.
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u/GardenGnomeOfEden Dec 25 '22
"I will answer you very subtly, and delicately and I apologize, I will allow a certain ambiguity. Gentlemen, we interfered, we interfere and we will interfere," Prigozhin said.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/europe/yevgeny-prigozhin-russia-us-election-meddling-intl/index.html
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u/iamjackslackoffricks Dec 25 '22
By grabbing a bucket of popcorn and watching Putin tear apart Russia
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u/Shiftyboss Dec 25 '22
Putin: Kherson is part of Russia!
Putin: [shells Kherson back into the stone age]
Putin: “Why would the West do this?”
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u/alex-english Dec 25 '22
It's like the meme of the guy on the bike who sticks a stick through his own tire, falls and then blames the West for making him fall.
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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken Dec 25 '22
Putin tries to annex Kyiv
Kazan, Grozny and St.Petersburg secede
Surprised pikachu
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u/willyolio Dec 25 '22
a few extra javelin missiles would help though
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u/Words_Are_Hrad Dec 25 '22
Weapons for the Chechens for Christmas!! Santa's not fucking around with his naughty list this year!
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u/autotldr BOT Dec 25 '22
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot)
Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the West for trying to "Tear apart" Russia, in extracts from an interview to be aired on national television later Sunday.
"At the core of it all is the policy of our geopolitical opponents aiming to tear apart Russia, historical Russia," Putin said.
Putin has used the concept of "Historical Russia" to argue that Ukrainians and Russians are one people - undermining Kyiv's sovereignty and justifying his 10-month offensive in Ukraine.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Putin#1 Russia#2 President#3 people#4 Russian#5
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u/EyyyPanini Dec 25 '22
So by “tear apart Russia” he means “prevent Russia from annexing Ukraine”.
Do people in Russia actually buy this bullshit?
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u/Cetology101 Dec 25 '22
“Historical Russia”? Putin, my brother in Christ, that’s like saying the Nazis had a right to invade Poland because it was “Historical Germany”.
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u/Chaacho08 Dec 25 '22
I mean at this point? Yes.
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u/wanabeagirl Dec 25 '22
As if Putin's Russia hasn't been trying to tear the West apart for the last 20 years. The Russian IRA, their botnets, funding the NRA, and so on and so forth were all done to sow discord in the West, and they were incredibly successful in a lot of ways. And now Putin is on the receiving end of it and he's upset? He can go fuck himself with a cactus.
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Dec 25 '22 edited Dec 26 '22
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u/krinkov Dec 25 '22
dont forget shooting down a commercial airliner with hundreds of people on board and shrugging it off with "wasntme"
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u/zomphlotz Dec 25 '22
We need to stop pretending that they belong in the room with civilized people.
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u/continuousQ Dec 25 '22
Sure, why not? They only care about Moscow anyway, they don't need the rest of it.
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u/mrplow25 Dec 25 '22 edited Dec 25 '22
They need the rest of it to exploit for the benefit of Moscow
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u/AnonymousHedgehog13 Dec 25 '22
This just sounds like setting up the scenario in the public's head that when everything falls apart they can just blame "the west" for it all. What a blatant shit show
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u/porncrank Dec 25 '22
The west wishes beyond anything that Russia would just operate like a decent country so we could all prosper. Russia refuses.
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u/Tballz9 Dec 25 '22
I would like to see Mr. Putin meet a rather quick demise and the Russian people to have chance at a real representative government that can work with the rest of Europe. I have zero interest in tearing Russia apart, aside from them giving back the occupied bits of Ukraine they have stolen.
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u/BuyLocalAlbanyNY Dec 25 '22
Well said! How can one man ruin the safety and future of so many Russians? This is nuts. Russia has so much potential to be a great place to live if it wasn't for such a high level of corruption and mismanagement.
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u/EmperorOfNipples Dec 25 '22
Yup.
It could have been a chonky Norway.
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u/ninjabunnyfootfool Dec 25 '22
Upvoted for "chonky Norway", like some sort of Scandinavian chungus.
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u/baeb66 Dec 25 '22
Russia has been a demographic failure since the end of the Soviet Union. They are still in a population decline, brain drain is still an issue, their per capita GDP is about to fall behind the Maldives, life expectancy keeps dropping, they have fewer working age people to support their retired population, etc. So of course it's time to blame external factors for 30 years of bad governance.
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u/Sendstorepatter Dec 25 '22
Putin lies again is a better and more accurate headline.
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u/ktaphfy Dec 25 '22
Oh btw Vlad, Patriot Missiles are not ground to ground and more like S-700 to your scale as you can comprehend.
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u/excessive_brutality Dec 25 '22
lol
1.) invade country
2.) get ass kicked
3.) proclaim yourself as the victim in the situation
4.) ???
5.) profit
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u/static_void_function Dec 25 '22
The irony is that losing this war will likely break up the Russian Federation into smaller states, as other states reject Moscow’s domination. Exactly the opposite of what Putin had intended.
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Dec 25 '22
Dictators never learn and have repeated the same mistake over and over throughout history.
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u/packtobrewcrew Dec 25 '22
Na man. We just don’t want Russia to be dickheads. It’s not that hard, is it?
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u/jatufin Dec 25 '22 edited Dec 25 '22
Last 30 years west has been helping Russia to avoid total collapse into a Somalia* styled failed state. As a thanks Russians have nurtured stab-in-the-back conspiracy theories, submerged the whole nation in the bath of self pity and hatred, and lastly launched full war against a peaceful neighboring country.
If Russians themselves wanted to tear apart the shitshow they are used to call a country, and start over, it would be the best what have happened in the perimeters since the Republic of Novgorod fell in 1478.
- Comparision is probably unfair to Somalia.
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u/razzledazzle1994x Dec 25 '22
As an American I don't want to see Russia fall apart, i just want to see Putin gone.
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u/Lord_Shisui Dec 25 '22
He's the living "Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions" meme.
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u/cwn01 Dec 25 '22
Yes. Russia needs to be broken up so it can never cause trouble again. Kick putin!
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u/Ermahgerd1 Dec 25 '22 •
Then Putin himself is wests best spy.