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Chinese state media claims U.S. NSA infiltrated country’s telecommunications networks

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/22/us-nsa-hacked-chinas-telecommunications-networks-state-media-claims.html
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u/rip1980 6d ago Silver

"The NSA was not immediately available for comment..,"

"We can neither confirm nor deny we exist."

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u/superflex 6d ago Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Rocket Like

No Such Agency

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u/zadesawa 6d ago

Heard there’s a sister group Not a Real Organization

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u/tech_hundredaire 6d ago Wholesome

damn dude just let them play with their satellites, they didn't hurt anyone

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u/LengthinessSingle624 6d ago

Speaking of satellites, lil sneaky Chinese satellite "cleaning" away some competition up there https://youtu.be/y7p_IzaNV4A

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u/Crimson_Akuma 6d ago

So that Netflix Space force show was on point

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u/dancinadventures 6d ago

Any relation to NWA ?

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u/woodsbill 6d ago

Nah, these guys are Straight up over Compton

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u/zadesawa 6d ago

National Reconnaissance Office is literally a formerly secret US federal agency that handle literal spy satellites

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u/TheSilvermanCometh 6d ago

Oh, ok, and I'm just now hearing about this secret organization? Huh? /s

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u/gregorydgraham 6d ago

Don’t worry, the operatives will be around shortly to fix you.

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u/TheBunk_TB 6d ago

Is there an organization that handles figurative satellites?

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u/futurecomputer3000 6d ago

Love this

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u/XyzzyPop 6d ago

It's an old joke when the NSA was not as well known as it is today.

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u/EricFaust 6d ago

Not well known is one way to describe it lol, they were a state secret for over twenty years after their founding.

Fun fact: Tom Lehrer (most well known for singing the Elements song that I and countless others heard in school) worked at the NSA while it was still classified. His cover was that he was working on nuclear weapons (which seems like a terrible cover? idk).

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u/SuperSpy- 6d ago

When the shit he was working on was even more important/secret than nukes...

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u/DistastefulTruth 6d ago

that's why he's poisoning pigeons in the park

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u/CharcoalGreyWolf 6d ago

So long Mom, I’m off to drop the Bomb?

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u/HelpfulCherry 6d ago

His cover was that he was working on nuclear weapons (which seems like a terrible cover? idk).

Seems like a perfectly fine cover, tbh. It certainly hit a point where nuclear weapons themselves weren't a secret, but the specifics were.

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u/Anxious_Inspector_88 6d ago

Great cover - no need to set up a plausible alternative; gives the subject the ability to respond with "I'm not allowed to discuss work" rather than setting up an entire fake work history that can be openly discussed and must hold up to external verification.

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u/econopotamus 6d ago

I mean, "infiltrating China's telecommunications network" sort of sounds like the NSAs job. But I guess they can't say that out loud.

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u/InformationHorder 6d ago Gold To The Stars

I would be insanely disappointed if all my tax dollars that have been spent on the NSA didn't result in the NSA successfully infiltrating an adversary's communication networks.

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u/goldenbrowncow 6d ago

The American government won't use Huawei networking for the same reason the Chinese won't use Cisco.

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u/OffendedEarthSpirit 6d ago All-Seeing Upvote hehehehe

You could say, for China, that it's Huawei or the highway.

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u/overyander 6d ago

Good News! It's not just adversaries, it's yours too!

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u/WeTheAwesome 6d ago

Wow a surprise bonus?! Definitely leaving them 5 star review on yelp!

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u/Humble_Tomato_1423 6d ago

Don't worry! They already did for ya.

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u/Empty_Bluejay_463 6d ago

NSA always looking out for us so sweet

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u/NSA_Chatbot 6d ago

Get that mole checked out.

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u/Colton_Landsington 6d ago

Thanks NSA! You're my bestest friend!

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u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago

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u/Grostleton 6d ago

Yeah, we know.

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u/DoctFaustus 6d ago

Nah. That's what the Five Eyes agreement is for. We simply outsource spying on Americans to our friends. Keeps it a little more tidy politically.

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u/Your_Always_Wrong 6d ago

yeah, it's one of those things... if my money is disappearing into a black hole for questionable things I'd at least want those questionable things to be a net gain. I want what I paid for damnit, whatever it is, I have no fucking clue but I still want it.

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u/InformationHorder 6d ago

They may be a bunch of absolute shady bastards, but at least they're my shady bastards.

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u/Idflipthatforadollar 6d ago

Your personally assigned NSA agent approves of your message

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u/VoDoka 6d ago edited 6d ago

Apparently the NSA even infiltrated the European telecommunications network...

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u/bertiewooster_swgoh 6d ago

Yes. The five eyes countries spy on each other's populations so they don't run afoul of laws against domestic spying. It would make sense that they would work to spy on other friendly countries as well.

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u/ApolloXLII 6d ago

Spy vs Spy but they're good friends.

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u/Jaredlong 6d ago edited 6d ago

Officially, the NSA is only supposed to monitor international communication.

Which is why Snowden felt the need to leak documents revealing the NSA had been monitoring domestic communications, because they're not supposed to.

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u/asdfasdfasdfas11111 6d ago edited 6d ago Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome

That's not really what the leak revealed though. The NSA does full stack intelligence on foreign soil, which includes actual comms/payloads, metadata, network information, geolocation, ELINT, SIGINT etc. Basically anything they can do to listen or locate. The vast majority of what Snowden leaked was concerning sources and methods for these capabilities on foreign soil.

In terms of domestic surveillance, a very small number (relatively speaking) of leaked documents showed that when one side of a communications intercept was known to be a US citizen, the collection was limited to metadata only. Even if the other side was on foreign soil. It also showed that in instances where one side of an intercept was discovered to be a US citizen (eg, by accident), the NSA would seek a retroactive FISA warrant, as allowed by US law.

Say what you will about metadata and FISA courts, but the Snowden leaks actually showed that the NSA was following the law and beyond that had an entire framework in place which intended to avoid situations where US citizens might be involved, because it meant they would be burdened by additional due process. It was shown that even when they were accidentally swept up in surveillance, the NSA was nowhere near as far up the ass of any US citizen as a lot of people in the cybersecurity field had previously assumed.

I will refrain from speculating about Snowden's real motivations here. Just correcting a bit of pervasive misinformation.

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u/NorthernerWuwu 6d ago

Which is why Five Eyes and data swapping exists of course. Everyone spies on everyone else and then pools that data so they aren't technically spying on their own. I mean, expect when they do anyhow but at least they used to make an effort to appear not to be.

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u/pixelprophet 6d ago edited 4d ago

Correct, this is the thing that is being left out.

That and how much and which companies work (and when) they hopped onto the bandwagon.

The comment also also glosses the fact that the NSA is collecting your metadata (phone calls / emails / ect) and storing it - which their computer systems analyze and then flag for a human to put eyes on. That's how they "legally" skirt the law that requires them to have a warrant to gather the information in the first place.

Snowdens leaks also gave us much more information on "Parallel construction" and it's use.

Edit: It also ignores: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOVEINT

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u/FutzInSilence 6d ago

Side fact: Global Marine (maybe) found a Russian sub (maybe) in the ocean. The government told them it's a problem, the NSA told em to say, "we can neither confirm nor deny"...

And that's history, folks.

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u/JustaRandomOldGuy 6d ago

In the 70's it was hard for NSA employees to get a mortgage because they couldn't tell their employer.

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u/Malgas 6d ago edited 6d ago

You'd think they'd have thought up some official story for that.

Edit: In fact, the more I think about it, the more impossible it seems that they didn't. If their checks were cut by the federal government but they had no official job title or position, surely that would scream "I'm a spy" to anyone looking, which would seem to negate the entire purpose of keeping the NSA secret. On the other hand, if the checks were cut by a shell company or something then that's what you put on the loan application.

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u/atters 6d ago

Because they did. People back then weren’t any less intelligent, particularly in the intelligence community.

Their sources of income would have been completely fabricated. A linesman here, a construction company supervisor there, typing pool manager over there. Any bank they walked into would have been completely duped, or had someone on the take that pushed those particular applications through.

The employees at Los Alamos were TV repairmen, concrete workers, teachers in schools that didn’t exist.

This isn’t Unky Sam’s first rodeo.

The difference between then and now is the difficulty in falsifying those records, but hey, the Big Eagle knows that game better than anyone else on the planet (assuming their agents and families don’t do something absolutely stupid).

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u/beermit 6d ago

I heard a story about one contractor telling it's employees to tell their families and friends that they build washing machines and dryers. Well one employee's grandma had her dryer go out, so she had it loaded up and brought to the facility and was asking for them so that they could take a look at it. Caused a bit of a commotion.

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u/Nice-Violinist-6395 6d ago

this is really funny. also this makes me think of Tom Cruise’s little monologue at the beginning of Mission Impossible III about working for the Virginia DOT and how “traffic has a memory,” when in fact the IMF is literally underneath the Virginia DOT

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u/ZyglroxOfficial 6d ago

People back then weren’t any less intelligent

Especially before leaded gas

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u/Sticky_3pk 6d ago

Take a page from "the unit", they're logistics officers

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u/northshore12 6d ago

"Embassy staff."

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u/Wiki_pedo 6d ago

Couldn't tell their bank, you mean? I'd hope their employer already knows.

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u/TheTallGuy0 6d ago

“Who are you and why do you keep coming here 5 days a week?”

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u/PSPHAXXOR 6d ago

I'm a locksmith, and I'm a locksmith.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 6d ago

There’s a big sign outside every spy agency saying the name of the organization and people can be seen going into and out of those buildings. I’m sure they didn’t have any issues and just wrote “department of defense” if they absolutely couldn’t admit to working for the NSA.

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u/Duckckcky 6d ago

The NSA was revealed when a congressman asked about a rather large building complex he didn’t know about as he was flying over DC. There may be signs now but 50 years ago that wasn’t true.

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u/-Codfish_Joe 6d ago

Doesn't everyone just assume that anything they operate has been cracked by the NSA?

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u/johnnycyberpunk 6d ago

just assume

Why assume?
I thought it was confirmed after the leaks by Snowden it was pretty fucking clear that the 'US Intelligence Apparatus' had their tentacles in everything.
If they somehow got approval to put gigantic metadata tap collector thingys on US ISP infrastructure, it's guaranteed they have them on foreign networks.
Right?

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u/Faerco 6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA did have data on China, I'm more curious if whatever data breach the CCP is complaining about was intentionally gathered or not.

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u/8923ns671 6d ago

it's guaranteed they have them on foreign networks.
Right?

Correct.

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u/porn_is_tight 6d ago

We also have cable splicing submarines for the fiber optic lines that run under the ocean. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/the-creepy-long-standing-practice-of-undersea-cable-tapping/277855/

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u/jscummy 6d ago

NSA employee Ronald Pelton sold information about the program to the KGB for $35,000. 

Seems weirdly low

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u/Myers112 6d ago

So many of these $ figures for people selling classified info are always low. I suspect it's a combination of the people who usually do this are already in dire straights so they take what they can get, and the people who are getting more being smart enough not to get caught.

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u/coffeesippingbastard 6d ago

that was back in 1986 so almost 100k today. It's why security clearances today do deep background investigations into your credit history. Large debt obligations or gambling tendencies are disqualifiers.

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u/Crazyhates 6d ago

Didn't know that me enjoying gacha games could disqualify me but here I am.

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u/massofmolecules 6d ago

Hey man, we will give you 1 million “gems” for secret data, you in?

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u/yingkaixing 6d ago

... The number of weebs that would sell out their country for a C6 Ganyu or Raiden is not zero.

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u/ItsTheGingerInMe 6d ago

Another factor to consider is most people won't have someone to clean the money either, so you have to wonder:

  • how much cash are you comfortable sitting on?

  • how much can you realistically spend without being/looking suspicious?

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u/Cerebral-Parsley 6d ago

That's how Aldrich Ames got caught at the CIA. His co workers started wondering why all of a sudden he was wearing nicer suits and driving a nicer car than the bosses could afford. Also he had a Columbian mistress who had like 500 pairs of shoes and her dirt poor family got a nice house.

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u/sho_biz 6d ago edited 6d ago

That article is scary af, and it's eight nine years old now.

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u/AlfaNovember 6d ago

The undersea tapping was happening 50 years ago. They actually had make return visits to change the tapes. Sneaking within 7 miles of the biggest Soviet naval bases as though they were taping a Grateful Dead concert and “Darkstar” ran long.

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u/_Deathhound_ 6d ago

Works both ways. No ones hands are clean

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u/Skyrmir 6d ago

They're in almost everything, seeing them chase Snowden showed they have intermittent blind spots.

I'm still impressed they put a guy in a Brazilian hotel room, 2 hours after Snowden talk to him across a skype call through a vpn. Not that they can crack skype, or the vpn really, but to have a dude on site that fast was impressive.

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u/Queen__Antifa 6d ago

Sorry, I’m confused. What’s the deal with the hotel room and Snowden?

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u/paper_geist 6d ago

OP is so impressed they forgot how to speak.

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u/TheBirminghamBear 6d ago

NSA got him. He's gone.

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u/appdevil 6d ago

No time. Skype. Get to the Choppa.

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u/Skyrmir 6d ago

While Snowden was making his get away, he called a friend who was in a hotel in Brazil. 2 hours after that call the hotel room was broken in to, and electronics all stolen. The friend was public enough to report it, not sure he's still around any more.

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u/gullwings 6d ago

Are you talking about Glenn Greenwald? He was the main reporter Snowden worked with who lives in Brazil with his partner. He told his partner he was going to send him a copy of the leaks (but forgot) and a day or two later the partner reported a break-in and his laptop missing. The same partner also was detained and harassed for hours in an airport in the UK after the leaks too.

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u/987djf3498dwesrf 6d ago

Skype ain't secure. Pretty sure once a connection is made it exposes IP addresses

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u/Jrook 6d ago

I'm almost 100% it reports unique device ID and wifi or tower connections.

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u/PM_ME_NUDE_KITTENS 6d ago

I always assumed that Microsoft bought Skype and centralized its servers specifically so that the US could use FISA warrants for data collection.

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u/gullwings 6d ago

This is exactly what happened. The NSA couldn't get Skype data prior to that, since it was p2p, then after the sale they magically could. Whether or not the sale was pushed for this reason or if Microsoft just wanted Skype, no idea.

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u/piponwa 6d ago

Look into the Athens Olympic Games NSA wiretaps.

As I remember it, the US went to Greece and asked to monitor their cell networks to safeguard the Olympic Games. Then, they promptly used their backdoor to spy on Greek politicians and individuals. The guy that managed the network was found dead while the investigation was ongoing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_wiretapping_case_2004%E2%80%9305?wprov=sfla1

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u/OneDropOfOcean 6d ago

Remember.. oh 10 or 15 years back.... when the underwater cables between countries/continents kept getting cut for unknown reasons, and then repaired.... there was a prevailing theory at the time that this was the moment the 'West' tapped into all global comms.

It never happened before or since, and there was a spate at the time, so I'd imagine it to be true.

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u/johnnycyberpunk 6d ago

It never happened before

Operation Ivy Bells.
That was in the 70's.

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u/nothingeatsyou 6d ago

Operation Ivy Bells was a joint United States Navy, Central Intelligence Agency, and National Security Agency mission whose objective was to place wire taps on Soviet underwater communication lines during the Cold War.

joint United States Navy, Central Intelligence Agency, and National Security Agency mission

Navy, CIA, and NSA

Dear god, they weren’t fucking around.

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u/johnnycyberpunk 6d ago

It was the Cold War.
I used to work with a guy who was in the Army in Germany during the Cold War and his stories are fucking legend.
Working with and recruiting sources, double and triple agents, psychological operations, deceptions, and all the weird 70's tech that made it possible.
I told him to hire someone for his memoirs so he can make a book or screenplay someday - whenever it gets declassified. Maybe if Trump thinks about it.

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u/TheBirminghamBear 6d ago

Ah yes, I believe I've seen some of her films.

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u/raptorgalaxy 6d ago

It happened when they layed the cables in the first place, Britain has been tapping into international cables since the 1860s when they built them.

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u/h0bb1tm1ndtr1x 6d ago

Tapping sea cables goes back much further. Check out Operation Ivy Bells.

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u/bronabas 6d ago

Speaking of, I’m very loyal to the US and would never consider betraying my country…

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u/Imfrom2030 6d ago

Mr. Biden is both young and handsome

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u/INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE 6d ago

Dark Brandon will end all malarkey.

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u/Toxic_Slimes 6d ago

I LOVE YOU BIDEN ps: need some money babe

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u/PapaBradford 6d ago

You'll get a Werther's and like it

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u/throwtowardaccount 6d ago

The money was going to be spent on Werther's anyway so that works out just fine.

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u/Lauris024 6d ago

Yeah, neither will I, as a Latvian

On a more serious note, I wonder if we have ever been on international news outside of "baltics does something against russia again"

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u/ImportantWords 6d ago

This is my general feeling. On all sides really. I am fairly sure China has access to everything and America too. Not that I would make it easy - but ultimately I think it’s security through diffuse obfuscation. You make all of it somewhat hard to get, and that pulls resources from getting to the really important stuff. Since the attacker doesn’t know what’s gonna be on the other side, they have to waste resources going down a million dead ends.

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u/us1549 6d ago edited 6d ago

I mean, I would be surprised if we didn't do stuff like this. That is literally the sole function of the NSA/CIA is to spy on foreign nations. The latter sometimes will overthrow their governments on occasion.

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u/GI_X_JACK 6d ago edited 6d ago

CIA yes, NSA no.

NSA also does stuff to secure domestic comms.

AES encryption, SHA hash, where their doing, and result of contests. They did not write the algorithms, but they held public, transparent contests to pick and standardize crypto.

They also wrote and released Ghidra, a reverse engineering framework so everyone can help analyze malware. Previously, you need a commercial license for IdaPro, that only ran on windows, where Ghidra is more flexible.

Ghidra is open source, funded by your tax dollars.

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u/Pierre-Quica 6d ago

There’s also an unacknowledged joint operation between the NSA and CIA called the Special Collection Service (SCS), which combines the best of both agencies to gather intelligence in extremely difficult to reach locations.

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u/radish_recoup 6d ago

That conflict of interest is why a number of security experts have called on the government to break the NSA up into separate offensive and defensive agencies.

This makes so much sense.

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u/teckhunter 6d ago

If the tools used by NSA could be used on American products, can't they be used for same product worldwide anyway? Like if they can access Google or Apple that applies to every single country in world since there is no hard boundary in data sharing between subsidiaries based in different countries?

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u/DRJStevens 6d ago

The NSA absolutely spies on communications of other government entities.

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u/chilled_potato 6d ago edited 6d ago

AES encryption, SHA hash, where their doing, and result of contests. They did not write the algorithms, but they held public, transparent contests to pick and standardize crypto.

The contests are transparent, but that doesn't mean everything. Dual EC DRBG was compromised from the outset, and it was still chosen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG#Weakness:_a_potential_backdoor

Some conversational description about it. Not a short watch, but I've linked to where he begins his explanation of the NSA's involvement. https://youtu.be/y7yx_c4kHZg?t=4858

The backdoor allowed the NSA to passively decrypt traffic on a standard that wasn't widely implemented. The NSA could break any TLS connection encrypted on it with just 32 bytes of information.

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u/mdonaberger 6d ago

The NSA could break any TLS connection encrypted on it with just 32 bytes of information.

This is why I key all of my encryption with the most truly unpredictable random variable ever: whether I end up sticking to my dinner plans in any given night. It cannot be cracked, simply because I don't even understand it.

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u/Responsible_Pizza945 6d ago

Plan: let's cook something

Outcome: I got fast food again

100% of the time

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u/JamesStrangsGhost 6d ago

The NSA is absolutely spying on other nations. Penetrating their communications and gathering intelligence is literally their job.

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u/laxin84 6d ago

NSA yes. It's literally the nation's foreign signals intelligence gathering agency. CIA is focused on other gathering, aggregation, and analysis methods...

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u/ourcityofdreams 6d ago Helpful Wholesome hehehehe

Huawei we go again!

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u/Calber4 6d ago

Plot twist: Huawei was working for the NSA the whole time.

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u/lordderplythethird 6d ago

No, but when everything they make is just built off code stolen from Cisco, Juniper, Nokia, etc and they clearly don't even scan what they steal before implementing it (like some Huawei code still saying Cisco on it...), they likely implemented the same backdoors the NSA had built into the code Huawei stole lol

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u/total_fucking_chaos 6d ago

It's mostly old nortel.

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u/xSaviorself 6d ago

What a clusterfuck situation that was. We are still feeling the impacts today.

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u/CanuckFire 6d ago

Rip the canadian telecoms giant. :(

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u/value_added_bullshit 6d ago

Nortel still technically exists as it is still going through the bankruptcy procedure. The company isn't completely sold off, they had so much IP.

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u/blofly 6d ago

I remember installing Nortel DSU/CSUs in the mid 90s. Wow, time flies.

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u/FilterBullshitSubs 6d ago

I really dislike that about my country. We get good at something and then just kind of stop giving a fuck and it dies. The state of the Canadian Space Agency is dire…

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u/Twobuttsandafart 6d ago

And what they turned into - like some Ciena equipment was stolen too.

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u/Lurkingandsearching 6d ago

Gotta remember that protocols used in digital telecommunication were created through DARPA, so backdoors are a given.

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u/Simple-Recipe-8782 6d ago

To be fair, even if they did analyze it carefully it might be hard to spot.

It's not like if (NSAPasswordEntered) then giveAccess()

It's probably something like, this data expects a positive integer of maximum size but was implemented as an integer that has negative values. By deliberately sending overly large integers, we can cause an overflow and send a negative value which accumulates in a counter and after the negative value exceeds a threshold of -1000, a conditional check will detect this on the next program execution and discreetly install a rootkit under the guise of a slightly longer than usual disk access operation. The rootkit will then covertly install itself into the OS and erase itself from being visible by the task manager, where it run in the background and log keystrokes for the user. These keystrokes will be used to record password and fake legitimate access to the system.

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u/dtcc_but_for_pokemon 6d ago

Also, if it's like all the other enterprise code I've ever seen in my life, it's probably such an enormous pile of shit that you could just hardcode it in somewhere and nobody would ever find it because the code is already impossible to read as-is.

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u/s4b3r6 6d ago

Whilst that's true, it's not like hardcoded passwords are a thing of the past, either. ZTE had hardcoded root passwords to firmware versions in 2018.

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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned 6d ago

You could’ve just been spouting absolute nonsense and I would have no idea- it’s kinda exhilarating

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u/WorriedTourist7 6d ago

This isn't something new

According to classified documents provided by Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency (NSA) has also infiltrated the servers in the headquarters of Huawei, China's largest telecommunications company and the largest telecommunications equipment maker in the world. The plan is to exploit Huawei's technology so that when the company sold equipment to other countries—including both allies and nations that avoid buying American products—the NSA could roam through their computer and telephone networks to conduct surveillance and, if ordered by the president, offensive cyberoperations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_the_United_States#China

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u/neutrilreddit 6d ago

Yes. What you're referring to is Operation ShotGiant, uncovered by Edward Snowden.

The NSA operation was designed to see if Huawei was spying on others with backdoors. The NSA found nothing, so the NSA went and installed its own backdoors into Huawei devices instead, to conduct surveillance on US allies and adversaries.

One of the goals of the operation, code-named “Shotgiant,” was to find any links between Huawei and the People’s Liberation Army, one 2010 document made clear. But the plans went further: to exploit Huawei’s technology so that when the company sold equipment to other countries — including both allies and nations that avoid buying American products — the N.S.A. could roam through their computer and telephone networks to conduct surveillance and, if ordered by the president, offensive cyberoperations.

Two years after Shotgiant became a major program, the House Intelligence Committee delivered an unclassified report on Huawei and another Chinese company, ZTE, that cited no evidence confirming the suspicions about Chinese government ties.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html

The success allowed the agency to spy on email communications for Huawei employees(,) as well as steal the source code for specific Huawei products that could be used to exploit those products for espionage or cyberwarfare purposes.

the agency had already succeeded in installing software back doors in certain Huawei hardware, such as firewalls and routers, as early as 2008. The NSA catalog also reveals exploits for computer hardware belonging to U.S. companies such as Dell.

One persistent backdoor software implant named "Headwater" targets Huawei routers so that the NSA could monitor Internet traffic passing through them. Another backdoor software implant called "Halluxwater" targets Huawei's Eudemon series of hardware firewalls—computers that guard an organization's internal network from the rest of the Internet. Both Headwater and Halluxwater get installed inside the router's boot ROM—the very first level of code executed by a device when it first powers up or gets rebooted.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/hardware/us-suspicions-of-chinas-huawei-based-partly-on-nsas-own-spy-tricks

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u/Dweide_Schrude 6d ago

It’s really about the friends we made along Huawei.

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u/SmokinDroRogan 6d ago Silver

Huawei go again*

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u/lunchpadmcfat 6d ago

I would lose the “we”. “HUAWEI” itself covers the first and second words

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u/tewnewt 6d ago

And IMEI made up my mind~🤟

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u/drewgo25 6d ago

You clever fellow!

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u/allen_abduction 6d ago

I can almost guarantee-fucking-t Huawei’s back doors and poor security is being used against them by the NSA.

They did warn China.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 6d ago

I bet they used backdoors in Huawei's networking equipment that China claimed didn't exist...

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u/BUFF_BRUCER 6d ago

The U.S. National Security Agency used phishing — a hacking technique where a malicious link is included in an email — to gain access to the government funded Northwestern Polytechnical University, the Global Times alleged, citing an unnamed source.

Says they used a standard phishing attack to get initial access

Maybe they found a novel way of breaking spf/dkim/dmarc to pull it off or something but if not then a very basic tactic

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u/Iluvtocuddle 6d ago

The assumption that it’s always some great technical feat, some social engineering here and there and you have access to most things, like that 16 year old kid who hacked Uber and Rockstar recently.

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u/businessbusinessman 6d ago

"Hi this is Standard Everyman with WhoPaysAttention IT and they've hired me as your password daddy. Could you please email a list of all login credentials to yourebeingscammedyoufool@hotmail.com"

I'm decently sure that if you read this script to random C level phone numbers you'd get a disturbing amount of access.

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u/Iluvtocuddle 6d ago

It says undeliverable businessman sir, I will keep trying…

I am getting a notice from one of my outlook plugins, it says something about sensitive data, I just normally click go away..

Ok, managed to disable that annoying program, I did IT in high school you know…

I finally managed to send it, PFA the list of passwords, I also use the same password everywhere else, along with unique usernames….

Oh shit, our company has been hacked, those annoying cybersecurity guys are here again, they didn’t know I had exceptions from the IT guy who I used to date to unblock all ports on my devices, I also have full admin to stop the annoying get a ticket guys….

Another cybersecurity training, it’s always the same 10 questions, I don’t even need to read it, click next and just doing the quick…

…repeats script.

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u/bobbytux 6d ago

If you had a backdoor into someone's system and they noticed or were suspicious you would immediately try to make it seem like you gained access through a phishing attack etc so they don't investigate further, or you just do it immediately so it seems like thats how you've always been there anytime you were discovered.

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u/G36_FTW 6d ago

It's crazy that such a simple trick is so effective.

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u/Neonvaporeon 6d ago

It's effective because it's simple, you cannot fully prevent phishing. There is typically training on it, and you expect anyone with a brain wouldn't fall for it, but they still do. It's similar to the old USB stick in the parking garage trick, someone's gonna get got eventually.

A town near me had their pension fund wrecked by a phishing attack, they got a retired chairman's .gov email and used it to get a large sum transferred from the treasurer to them. It's been a huge legal case but I haven't followed it much so im not sure if it's been resolved yet. In fact, I tried to Google it because I wanted to see, and I don't even know which one I'm thinking of because it happens so much. Consider that these are town employees in the treasuree, you would expect them to be smart around these things.

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u/taoistextremist 6d ago

Of course, they could always be claiming phishing to avoid revealing a hard to patch security flaw. Though phishing is normally how a lot of attacks are done

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u/Pet_me_I_am_a_puppy 6d ago

They probably just used the original backdoors in the code Huawei stole and copied.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 6d ago

Touche

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u/Thin-Study-2743 6d ago

When your trove of classified tools are actually just another honeypot

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u/jondubb 6d ago

100% stolen American source code NSA exploited.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Poet575 6d ago

hmmm.... So this is what it feels like..

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u/average_redditor_guy 6d ago

Just wait until our tik tok equivalent comes out

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u/Owlstorm 6d ago

Facebook? Youtube? Instagram?

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u/Iohet 6d ago

Aren't those all banned/heavily restricted?

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u/kberson 6d ago

Um, duh? That's what they do? Do they think they're the only ones they haven't?

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u/unique_username_8134 6d ago

This is basically China just confirming that the NSA isn't incompetent.

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u/xjackstonerx 6d ago

It’s better to not hear news of being hacked. That shows more competence. Exactly why this is rare news because the US is elite in that regard.

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u/69696969-69696969 6d ago

I just read about a similar concept in a book. Essentially they had been thinking theirs no such thing as a perfect crime cause they hadn't ever heard of one being successful, but then again if it is a perfect crime then you'll never hear about it. So the logic goes that perfect crimes could happen everyday you just never hear about it.

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u/tryce355 6d ago

"The perfect crime occurred last night as thieves stole all the toilets in the police station.

Detectives are stumped, as there's nothing to go on."

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u/No-Economics4128 6d ago

The US government has a lot of incompetent actors, but the CIA and NSA are sure as fuck not one of them. In the case of the NSA, they might be too good at what they do for the sake of civil liberty

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u/gabu87 6d ago

If you were China, you can just assume that they're being constant cyber attacked because...why wouldn't they be?

Similarly, China should be expecting all their known military bases to be under constant monitoring.

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u/angrypoliticsposter 6d ago

Next you're gonna tell me the CIA destabilizes governments.

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u/YamahaRN 6d ago

Just destabilize? What are we, the Russian FSB?

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u/2020Dystopian 6d ago Gold

That’s just the Huawei it goes bitches💕

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u/DieselVoodoo 6d ago

It’s in the Huawei that you use it

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u/That_Tree_Pone 6d ago

Huawei to the danger zone!

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u/manateewallpaper 6d ago

Yeah we do that

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u/whenimmadrinkin 6d ago

We do that to even our allies.

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u/LatterTarget7 6d ago

Who don’t we do that to. Honest question

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u/whenimmadrinkin 6d ago

Martians. Yet

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u/chrisboy1540 6d ago

Technically it’s what 4 or 5 rovers from America (read NASA) and one from china I think? For all intents and purposes. The big red planet is a robot world. And America is watching it the hardest.

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u/ProFoxxxx 6d ago

Iceland

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u/Dirt_E_Harry 6d ago

And our citizens.

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u/SalemsTrials 6d ago

Me and my NSA agent are going steady ~

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u/beatles910 6d ago

Impressive, since they know all your kinks.

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u/SalemsTrials 6d ago

Oh yea that’s how they knew we were compatible

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u/Pakistani_in_MURICA 6d ago edited 6d ago

They definitely got better algorithms than tinder.

Just wish the places they suggest for dinner had more lighting and weren't in Eastern European countries. But the free airfare was nice.

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u/DatStankBooty 6d ago

We’ve likely been doing that for a long time China. We just don’t usually get caught.

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u/TAKES-MASSIVE-SHITS 6d ago

China sold telecommunications equipment to US companies at cost all over the Midwest to spy on military movements and now wants to cry when the shoe is on the other foot

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u/NicNoletree 6d ago

We sold them SHOES TOO???

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u/vikramsngh 6d ago

Only one shoe, that's why they have to keep switching it from one foot to the other.

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u/babypho 6d ago

Well, now they know how it feels like to have the shoe on the other foot

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u/Ashmedai 6d ago

I mean, I don't blame anyone for spying on anyone else. But before the Huwei thing, we (the US) were caught previously intercepting Cisco gear shipped to China and replacing it with... not exactly the original, eh. That was in the news well more than a decade ago. So, bro, it's mostly spies, all the way down.

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u/Hunt_Jumpy 6d ago

The NSAs response to TikTok.

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u/telamenais 6d ago

Blame the enemy of doing what you do - sun tzu art of war

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u/DavidELD 6d ago

And how did they do it?…

The NSA subscribed to Nord VPN! Not only can you use it to unlock other regions of Netflix, but it also bypasses the great firewall of China! It costs less then a cup of coffee a day!

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u/p38-lightning 6d ago Silver Gold

I guess Trump has already sold one of those secret documents.

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u/brooklyn-man 6d ago

Immediately had this thought. What if one of those classified docs was this, didn’t they catch a Chinese spy at Mar a lago recently?

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u/tommygunz007 6d ago

Glad I don't have a tik-tok

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u/1bhs35 6d ago

FTFY - “Chinese state media just now noticing NSA infiltrated country’s telecom networks”

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u/chimpfunkz 6d ago

“Chinese state media just now noticing announcing NSA infiltrated country’s telecom networks”

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