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Germany to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine — reports Russia/Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-leopard-2-tanks-to-ukraine-report/a-64503898?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf
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u/Senator_45 11d ago

How many is a company?

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u/Chillhoof 11d ago

According to German media it's a company. 14 tanks.

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u/koryaa 11d ago edited 11d ago

Same as Poland then. Poland will send their 30-40 year old 2A4s instead of their modernized ones tho (the german ones are 2A6s, which is the version build in the 2000s).

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u/mormotomyia 10d ago

The A6 have the newer L/55 gun..

Massive firepower upgrade + new optics

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u/HouseOfSteak 10d ago

"Normally, if it's old but it works wonderfully, you tend to keep the same model.

This does not include weaponry. You always want to shoot the shiny new gun when the opportunity presents itself."

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u/Gabstones 11d ago

14 tanks give or take. Atleast in the US. May be different in Germany

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u/Hubinator 11d ago

14 is the NATO standard.

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u/Apprehensive-Egg6448 10d ago Silver

Thank god both nations use NATO standards, would be a pain in the arse having to convert battalions the size of a foot ball field to standard units or so

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u/Wsbucker 10d ago

European or American football?

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u/koryaa 11d ago edited 11d ago

German media outlets are reporting that the US might send Abrams aswell (along with MTBs from other nations). If so Scholz got what he wanted.

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u/sr71Girthbird 11d ago

So you're telling me that since Russia won't be holding their own tank biathlon this year that Ukraine will be holding them instead with the Challengers, Leopards, and Abrams all competing?

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u/koryaa 11d ago

Yeah will be interesting against the "t-72" team. Micheal bay will be happy. Vs. the t-90 will be a rare sight probably.

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u/c0ldgurl 10d ago

t-90 will be a rare sight probably

Never a better opportunity for real world trials...

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u/A_Soporific 10d ago

The T-90 has been in service since 1992. It's just a next gen T-72, including the abysmal 4 km/h back up speed that's proven to be so completely lethal.

If the maybe 20 T-14s that exist are actually combat ready, then that'd be a neat thing to capture without a fight when it throws a track.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 10d ago

In Russia tank only go Forward, no Back.

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u/IrishWithoutPotatoes 10d ago

Russia must really be holding on to order 227

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u/SupplyChainGuy1 10d ago

NOT ONE STEP BACK, err TREAD

-Stalin I think

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u/Aurailious 10d ago

Would be pretty cool at the end of this for Ukraine to parade all the equipment they received. It'd be a pretty interesting collection of tanks alone.

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u/Tiafves 10d ago

Finally a military parade that actually isn't just a dick waving contest. Hey guys come to the parade and see military equipment from around the world!

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u/Physical-Ring4712 10d ago

Annual parade of all the countries that helped, finished with the brave people of Ukraine. Would be nice memory.

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u/Enrage 10d ago

There has to be a tractor pulling a captured Russian tank in the parade too!

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u/big_duo3674 10d ago

Joke aside, that's essentially true in this situation. There was great hesitancy at first to supply any arms, but the people of Ukraine stood up and showed the world that they are worth investing in. Public opinion of Ukraine in western countries drastically increased, which has in turn allowed much more bold equipment deals to go through. Now that we're at this point it has pretty much become a way for countries to live test their military gear against the Russians, something that was nothing more than a dream for many years. The intelligence gathered has become worth every single tank or artillery piece sent to them, and it's a guarantee that part of the deal includes Ukraine sharing everything they can

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u/QuantumRealityBit 10d ago

Perfectly said and very true!

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u/zveroshka 11d ago

I'm really curious to see how many Abrams the US will send. The US has probably the largest remaining stockpile of operational tanks in the world. We can afford to donate a lot more than Germany and other European countries.

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u/Plopsiecons 11d ago

Mountain Bikes?! Yikes! - I know what you mean, just couldn't resist.

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u/SisyphusCoffeeBreak 11d ago

Main Tattle Banks!

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u/Crusoebear 11d ago

Mini Toblerone Bars

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u/Jaakarikyk 10d ago

Massive Teddy Bears

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u/Nalortebi 10d ago

Many Titted Beavers

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u/The_Phreak 11d ago

BMX Bandit is on the case.

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u/Onlyindef 11d ago

Oh tank of the lake, what is your wisdom?

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u/TedTheGreek_Atheos 10d ago

You can't declare yourself Emperor just because a watery tart lobs a tank at you!

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u/Evignity 11d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Well that about seals the deal for russia being totally fucked. Yeah it's "just" 14 tanks but that's not the big news, it's that this opens the flooddams for everyone. Just like how everyone was trepid to even send artillery at the start whilst now everyone is sending tons of it, this basically leaves very few things of the table for Ukraine.

And modern tanks vs non-modern tanks is a nightmare for the non-modern, more so than any other field of equipment bar airplanes

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul 11d ago

Artillery quickly went from a few pieces to a goddamn competition.

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u/qpgmr 10d ago To The Stars

Everyone in the arms business wants to real-world test their wares.

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u/WingedGeek 10d ago

Except Russia for some reason.

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u/canttaketheshyfromme 10d ago edited 10d ago Take My Power

Russia: "We have a hypersonic cruise missile that can destroy the decadent west without warning. Don't test us. No, you can't see it. No, it didn't blow up, that's just propaganda."

The US: "Want to see our new hybrid turbojet/ramjet switch modes in a windtunnel?" EDIT: volume warning

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u/HouseOfSteak 10d ago

I've said it once, I'll say it again:

The US is the sort of entity that freaks the fuck out when their enemies MIGHT have a weapon at their disposal that can hurt them, and goes full R&D on a massively superior weapon to crush it......and then learn that the aforementioned weapon doesn't actually exist.

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u/canttaketheshyfromme 10d ago

Literally the F-14/F-15 development cycle, yup.

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u/HouseOfSteak 10d ago

Was that the plane that was built because the communists (Soviet or Chinese, I can't remember which) flimed a grand total of like 14 nuclear-ready planes twice (to make it look like it was 28 planes in total), and then the US responded with developing hundreds or thousands of superior planes of their own?

I mean I don't think it is, but I can't remember how exactly I learned this.

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u/canttaketheshyfromme 10d ago edited 10d ago

Oh, no, but good on you remembering that story!

That was the Myasishchev M-4, a spectacular disappointment in range and payload that mostly was converted to aerial tankers. In 1955 the Soviets flew 10 of them for a crowd, then lapped around again, and again... even with 2 of them having to drop out... until the observers saw 28... and "extrapolated" from that, that the Soviets must have about 800 of them total.

The F-14 and F-15 were inspired by the appearance of the MiG-25 interceptor, with too many analysts believing it was a high-speed, highly-maneuverable air superiority fighter... when it was really a massive radar and two massive engines with a bunch of stainless steel in the shape of an airplane holding those together, that measured turning radius in miles. So the US built the two most dominant air superiority fighters ever to counter it (until the F-22 came along), with the F-15 to this day having never having been shot down in air-to-air combat with the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Qatar and Singapore. And the F-14 came out with a radar + missile system that could lock up and fire on 6 separate targets at once, from beyond where the enemy might even know the US fighter is in the air, then exit the combat area while the missiles tracked on their own, OR move in to engage with shorter-range missiles and its gun as an excellent dogfighter that could match planes that had half of its massive weight.

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u/mybluecathasballs 10d ago

Well. I wonder what they are holding on to till intelligence says someone else has something new and improved. You know it'll be something like "you might hear it, maybe, but you sure as fuck won't see it or be able to hit it."

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u/nvn911 10d ago

And the F-14 came out with a radar + missile system that could lock up and fire on 6 separate targets at once

Ain't nothing do Fleet Defense like the F-14 did Fleet Defense.

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u/StillAll 10d ago

Wait.... is that true? No F-15 loses EVER from being shot down?

That can't be right... can it? This is perhaps one of the most prolific fighters of all time, and not one single loss to enemy fire... ever?

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u/jjayzx 10d ago

SOUND WARNING it's stupid music and not the sound of the engine, big let down and annoyance.

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u/guto8797 10d ago

Yeah what the fuck is up with these clips? If I wanted to listen to mediocre techno, I'd go do that, I want to hear a ramjet fucking roar!

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u/iSWINE 10d ago

Just a warning to people that have sound on, turn it down if you click the second link.

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u/releasethedogs 10d ago

This is ending up like the Spanish Civil War in that aspect. If a global conflict happens Ukraine will go down as where all the weapons got tested.

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u/guto8797 10d ago

And turns out that guess what, the stuff designed in the 70's to fight Russia in Eastern Europe is performing admirably well at fighting Russia in Eastern Europe.

And unlike the west, Russia hasn't really improved their gear since, not to a meaningful degree. A few show tanks and aircraft that you only bring out to parades because "they are too powerful" don't win wars

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u/HamPotatoe 10d ago

"Too powerful" ended up meaning "too logistically straining for our inept and corrupt military" just as it did in the Soviet end days. Didn't realize that's what Putin meant when he said he wanted the Soviet Union restored.

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u/guto8797 10d ago

Even then, a lot of the publicised specs and capabilities of their equipment are just made up or technicalities that don't apply to real life, like how the max achievable speed for a Toyota truck is 300mph if you throw it off a cliff.

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u/releasethedogs 10d ago

BUT BUT they have hypersonic missiles!

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u/templar54 11d ago

Poland already applied for permission to send 14 more so that's 28. 14 Challangers on top of that. So that's 42 modern western mbts already. That is nothing to scoff at. Such amount can turn a tide in a lot of battles. At this point we have to hope that adequate training will be provided and tanks can be used effectively because as Turkey has proven, no matter how good the tank is, if you use it stupidly, it will not end well.

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u/Moifaso 11d ago

The Netherlands are considering sending the 18 they are leasing from Germany

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u/Evilbred 11d ago Gold

Hopefully the lease terms are not as strict as with Toyota. I can only imagine the end lease inspection after a few RPGs have hit them.

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u/Ooops2278 11d ago

Most importantly the lease terms come with an option to buy them...

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u/Evilbred 11d ago

Have you seen the balloon payments and buyout prices for Main Battle Tanks?

Very difficult to swing that on an average salary.

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u/20mins2theRockies 11d ago

Yeah but if you turn in your main battle tank lease the dealership will often charge for every little scratch and dent. And don't even get me started on those extra miles charges..

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u/kreton1 10d ago

Which is why I documented the exact state of mine when I got it, combined with photos of every tiny detail and signing it off together with the owner of the dealership.

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u/miktoo 10d ago

But since you didn't add the tire & wheel package, they'll charge you full price for a new set of chains at the end of the lease.

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u/GaucheAndOffKilter 10d ago

Yeah but they’re trying to offload the ‘22s before the ‘23s are on the lot. No one wants last year’s tank model

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u/Evilbred 10d ago

Sir, I'm Canadian.

We continually buy, borrow or lease 2nd hand helicopters, jets, subs, tanks, and airliners.

Our troops can go through an entire career and never use a piece of equipment that is newer than they are old, or that was purchased brand new.

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u/robeph 10d ago

Funny. Canada sells a large number of old ambulances to cash strapped US Emergency medical services. Maybe Canada could afford new weapons if they would stop buying top of line ambulances

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u/Organicgrowth 10d ago

I know right? Where the fuck are our priorities

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u/Evilbred 10d ago

Yeah, if we weren't so busy providing life saving emergency healthcare to everyone, we'd be able to better support our military industrial complex!

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u/triggered_discipline 11d ago

Toyota legal team is pretty aggressive about wanting the RPGs and machine guns mounted to the back of the Tacomas, rather than fired at them.

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u/millijuna 10d ago

In all seriousness, I recall an incident from shortly after the initial withdrawal from Iraq, a Toyota pickup a was spotted running around with isis fighters and a machine gun in back, with the Decals of a small town plumber from the US still on the side of it.

The guy had traded the pickup on, and the dealership had sold it on, without removing the decals. It made its way all the way to terrorist hands.

The guy got a lot of unfair grief for it, as it was all over the news.

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u/Mebbwebb 10d ago

He sued and won

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u/FearlessAttempt 10d ago

I remember that. I was a lot more worried about the column of brand new Hilux's they were getting their hands on. Where were those coming from.

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u/WorkAccount2023 11d ago

Plus several dozen soviet T tanks from Morocco

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u/Gornarok 10d ago

Czech republic, Poland, Slovenia and Baltics have already given Ukraine hundreds of T72 (Slovenia upgraded T64)

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u/lil_sh_t 11d ago

France is also checking to send some Leclercs

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u/Onionsteak 10d ago

Hopefully without the Ferrari strategists

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u/dapperpanda 10d ago

We are checking…

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u/fernandopoejr 10d ago

which way is north. question?

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u/CGNYC 10d ago

Opposite East, please confirm.

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u/reigorius 10d ago

Plan B Charles, plan B.

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u/Wabbit_Wampage 10d ago

Ok, we are considering Plan F. Plan F.

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u/2slowam 10d ago

STOP INVENTING, STOP INVENTING

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u/zveroshka 11d ago

So that's 42 modern western mbts already.

Have to also remember they've also been given a ton of other modern equipment like the bradleys. If they can get properly trained on these systems in the next 2 months, a spring offensive just using this latest round of equipment would be enough.

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u/call_me_bropez 10d ago

I know with completely new recruits in English you can teach even the dumbest of mother fuckers to operate a Bradley in a month. There’s no way those things aren’t ready to go for spring, but I would save them till the mud hardens

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u/JPJackPott 11d ago

Ukraine seem to be good an manoeuvre warfare. Seeing how well they moved on their big offensive down the Dnipro, adding in companies of tanks to that they could very easily break through lines and cause some real problems. Especially on the flat featureless terrain of Crimea

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u/Dhexodus 10d ago

Their light vehicle raids are amazingly effective and risky. Three or four Hummvees charging a Russian position with LMGs firing is some action movie shit. Fast and agile, but still very vulnerable.

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u/DilectusX 10d ago

British SAS' "Desert Raiders" used this to great effect in WW2!

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u/Forest-Ferda-Trees 10d ago

A tale as old as horse archers

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u/DilectusX 10d ago

You're not wrong! Run in, fuck up some shit, and skedaddle!

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u/Gellert 10d ago

In a tank that's a thunder run.

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u/DilectusX 10d ago

That's metal af

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u/SaltLakeCitySlicker 10d ago

Let's go blow up every plane at the airbase with a couple of jeeps lads!

Roight!

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u/DilectusX 10d ago

"Who Dares, Wins" is the SAS motto if I recall correctly. Those raids were proof.

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u/jazwch01 10d ago

There are some videos from an American volunteer doing exactly this and its pretty bonkers.

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u/kaptainkeel 10d ago edited 10d ago

Even more interesting is the survivability. There's one video where their humvee looks like it gets annihilated by a mine(?). Second humvee gets out of the kill zone, then turns around and goes back in guns blazing. All but one person in the first humvee survived (and the last guy unfortunately got out on the side that was getting shot at by small arms).

Edit: Also, there are multiple angles. There's one on the inside of the blown up humvee, another in the second humvee, and a drone view. 2022!

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u/youwill_forgetthis 11d ago

Or the opposite with Bashar's army. It went from a tank turkey shoot bonanza, to every other video being a tank peek-a-boo a room or bunker full of rebels and by the time anyone even knows what happened it's already laterally a few blocks away ready to peak again.

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u/dub-fresh 10d ago

They just got 100.bradleys and 50 strykers as well.

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u/Lazorgunz 10d ago

and Marder and the French IFVs

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u/claimTheVictory 10d ago

If there's one thing the Ukrainians have shown, it's that they're not only capable of using equipment well, they're capable of using it in new and innovative ways.

But yeah, they still need proper training.

Hopefully that has already happened, in anticipation of this transfer.

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u/tangouniform2020 10d ago

Saw a YT vid of a soldier showing off his HIMARS. This means “acquire target” he said in Ukrainian, pointing at the joy stick labeled that and went through pointing out various features. “I have learned a little English” he says. “This one” pointing at “launch” “means **** you, Russia”

They are operating on the Teach Three concept. Send a few ti “school” and when they get back they use live fire to teach three more, who duplicate this. In a few weeks who have thirteen reasonably trained crews. And they learn shooting bad guys.

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u/Axeman2063 10d ago

And it looks like the US is sending some Abrams.

I think zelensky said they needed something like 300 to accomplish what they need to and turn the tide of things. I suspect that won't a be a problem now that Germany has given the green light

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u/Bobdebouwer813 10d ago

He askes for 300 because he needs 60

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u/p4nnus 10d ago

Youre probably joking, but in case somebody didnt get it: he needs more than 60 definitely. Even a 100 wont be enough in the long run.

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u/Dreamwalk3r 10d ago

Even if plans can be achieved with 60, having 300 will also reduce losses so there's that.

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u/ArguingPizza 10d ago

300 is an armored division's worth of tanks. Having an entire additional armored division able to mass at a specific point to breakthrough and roll up the Russian lines would see another massive gain like Kharkiv, at the minimum. That is assuming they can scrape together the troops, IFVs/APCs, artillery, and support equipment to go along with it.

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u/TdrdenCO11 10d ago edited 10d ago

I think ukraine said they just need 300 to execute their plan for the spring. I want Spain and Greece to get involved. They both have a lot of leopards

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u/SerpentineLogic 10d ago

Spain said their Leos were not in a good condition to be sent any time soon

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u/TheCreepeerster 10d ago

The ones in a bad condition are the 50 Leo 2A4 in storage. Additionally the Spanish Army has 58 2A4s and 219 2A6 in service, which could potentially be transferred to Ukraine.

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u/zxcoblex 11d ago

Nothing better than Estonia, sending 100% of their artillery because they 1) know that Russia’s tied up in Ukraine and can’t fight elsewhere, 2) the more Ukraine fucks up Russia, the less likely they will be to start shit elsewhere, and 3) they’ve got that really fucking big NATO shield and don’t have to worry as all they need to do is delay Russia long enough that the rest of NATO wrecks them.

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u/i_was_there_then 10d ago

They are also upgrading to new stuff from Korea and the US. Basically an easy way to get rid of old equipment and give the finger to Russia.

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u/TheMagnuson 10d ago

Yes all that, but also Estonia purchased a bunch of brand new artillery from South Korea, so they just gave Ukraine their old stuff. Still great they did that though.

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u/PaulNewmanReally 11d ago

Fourteen Challengers, plus fourteen German Leopards, plus perhaps a dozen or two from others, that's a good 50 MBT's that the Russians don't have an answer to any more. Sprinkle in some of those French AMX's, team all that up with the Marders and Bradleys that were already pledged, throw some artillery and drones behind it, and that's a VERY nice battle group.

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u/veevoir 10d ago

SUpply and maintenance for so many different vehicles in one battlegroup would be insane.

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u/stragen595 11d ago

The rumored number for this is around 100 Leopard 2 by Germany, Poland and the rest.

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u/Mrstrawberry209 11d ago

It ain't over till Ukraine ladies are singing.

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u/gerd50501 10d ago

Getting way ahead of facts on the ground. Russia has 300,000 additional troops in training. yeah they suck, but its a lot of people. Anytime you throw 300,000 people into a fight it makes a different. Especially against a country with 1/3 of your population. There are rumors of another 500,000 being drafted soon. Russia has 3x the population of Ukraine. So they can afford 3x the casualties and break even. NATO is not giving ukraine long range weapons to hit russian infrastructure while russia is still laying waste to ukraine's cities. Ukraines GDP declined by 35% last year. Russias GDP declined by 6% in 2022.

Peter Zeihan gave the estimate that Ukraines kill ratio is between 3-4 Rusians per 1 ukrainian. This is about equal to the population difference. With the increased Russian mobilization it will need to increase to 6-7 : 1 for them to win. They may not even have enough bullets for that.

All this while NATO is afraid to give Ukraine ATACMS and other weapons that can hit deep into Russia to hit their infrastructure too. This war is going to get a lot bloodier. Russia has not quit a war with less than 500,000 casualties in centuries. It is estimated that they lost 150,000 so far. So we have a long way to go.

Ukraine needs ATACMS and F-16s to win this war. They need to be able to hit behind russian lines and hit russian infrastructure (this includes power plants).

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u/Pronoes84 11d ago

Age old thing of no one wanting to stand up to the bully alone. But if everyone sticks together....

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u/MelodicBerries 11d ago

Damn... Steiner is really going to attack after all.

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u/Pudding_Hero 10d ago

Mein führer…Steiner…

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u/Niidforseat 10d ago

Steiner konnte nicht genügend Kräfte für einen Angriff forcieren. Der Angriff Steiner ist nicht erfolgt.

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u/poopmeister1994 11d ago

Natürlich, es war ein Befehl!

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u/CursedLemon 11d ago

There was only a 33% chance that he wouldn't

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u/cLuckb 11d ago

Imagine having to deal with Leopard AND Abrhams tanks.

Putin gonna have a rough time.

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u/lock_the_backdoor 11d ago

Challenger 2 is an extremely capable tank as well.

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u/jesuspeeker 10d ago

It has a kettle inside, for when you’re taking 80 rpg hits.

Or however many that one Challenger 2 tank took in Iraq. Beastly tanks

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u/WriteBrainedJR 10d ago

People make fun of the kettle. Considering where (and when) they're sending them, it's actually not a bad feature. Ukrainian winters are fucking cold.

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u/Slant1985 10d ago

According to wiki, Americans are going to start including it in their equipment. Having ready access to hot water is a pretty significant moral booster.

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u/User858 10d ago

Having access to hot water means having access to coffee or tea (if supplies are right), which means having access to caffeine. Hell, it's not just a morale booster, it's practical.

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u/Slant1985 10d ago

Coffee and tea can both be made and consumed cold. Also Americans generally have Ripit energy drinks available by the pallet. Warm food, beverages, and water for hygiene are “luxuries.” But those kinds of luxuries make a big difference in quality of life while deployed.

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u/TheLesserWeeviI 10d ago

Coffee and tea can both be made and consumed cold

Angry British noises

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u/Acc87 10d ago

Was thinking boiling water would be more important as a desinfectant and to prepare hot (easier digestible) meals.

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u/TZH85 10d ago

I think it's actually a really nice flex. It says we will bomb you into oblivion while we sip a cup of tea.

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u/lucas1121111 10d ago

Nothing sooths the nerves quite like a nice Earl Grey.

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u/jesuspeeker 10d ago

The Brits might be on to something with this tea stuff.

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u/streetad 10d ago

Have a nice cuppa, await rescue. Wonder what they were talking about?

"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?"

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u/matts1900 10d ago

What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early?

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u/isochromanone 10d ago

The thing about Arsenal is they always try to walk it in.

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u/Rosie2jz 10d ago

France might send the Leclerc as well now. Usually how this dick measuring contest goes.

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u/kalesaji 10d ago

So does the maintenance crew. Imagine you go from servicing the T72 which basically runs on vodka and cyka blyat to servicing the turbine engine or the intricate leo turret.

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u/TheBraveGallade 10d ago

Dont the ukrainians have T80s? Thouse are gas turbines.

Reminder thst ukraine HAS inherited a not unsubstantial part of the soviet arms industry.

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u/seriouslynumb 10d ago

T-80s were built in Ukraine AFAIK

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u/go_on_now_boy 11d ago

r/noncredibledefense just had a collective orgasm lol

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u/gnarkilleptic 10d ago

I read the description for that sub but still have no idea what it is

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u/ric2b 10d ago

It's like furries but for military equipment.

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u/Itshudak87 10d ago

This is hilarious!

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u/seffay-feff-seffahi 10d ago

Probably the best description of NCD I've seen.

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u/Randyy1 10d ago

Some kind of a war/military meme shitposting sub, I guess?

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u/DribblesOnKeyboard 10d ago

This but with a pro-western and anti-reformer (people who thing ww2 military logic still applies, that's why there's the flying tank as the sub icon) attitude. Expect anything to be waifu'd.

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u/TheAngloLithuanian 10d ago

I'm a military shitpost loving degenera- I mean NCD member....

And I can confirm that your description is exactly what the sub is.

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u/corkyskog 10d ago

It's honestly pretty good... in comparison

There are a ton of details in the comments you could never find anywhere else.

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u/Kulladar 10d ago

r/credibledefense is a board for military nerds that has really strict moderation.

non-credible is basically the meme/shitpost board for that.

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u/1_Prettymuch_1 10d ago

Military memes and shit-posting

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u/abdomino 10d ago

It's like gun nuts but for the entire military industrial complex. Also a lot of NATO fans.

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u/Shermantank10 10d ago edited 10d ago

Jesus Christ dude don’t flash our sub like that!

The public isn’t ready for NCD

Normal, sane people stay away from NCD.

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u/BlumpkinPromoter 10d ago

Japan send them a gundam. I know you have one.

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u/Denchik3 11d ago

It's happening!!!

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u/Reptardar 10d ago

If countries keep this up Ukrainian will be as equipped as a US police department in no time.

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u/Ameph 11d ago

I'm not privvy to modern armor but these Leopard 2 tanks must be the pinnacle of tank technology we have for this much push and celebration.

Now...if we can get New Zealand to send a few Bob Semple Tanks...

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u/Evilbred 11d ago

Leopard 2s are great tanks. Abrams are great tanks. Challenger 2s are great tanks.

They each have slightly different capabilities that are suited to their design criteria.

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u/ymx287 10d ago

Exactly. And all of them working side by side will provide great success and video material

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u/Bunch_of_Shit 10d ago

And how do these tanks compare to Russia’s most advanced tank in terms of features and capabilities? I’m not too sure how many of russias best tanks are even in use, I know one was captured by Ukraine because it was abandoned.

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u/cs_katalyst 10d ago

Western tanks can shoot further with significantly better accuracy on the move or sitting still. Massive optics and targeting system upgrades. In an open field the leopard could kill a t72 before even in range of the 72s gun, whilst moving

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u/Admira1 10d ago

I love a good whilst

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u/Scotty_scd40 10d ago

The only russian tank that is comparable to western designs is t90m, however russians have very limited numbers of those

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u/sanguinesolitude 10d ago

Way fewer than a year ago funnily enough. Smoking accidents I assume.

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u/notbatmanyet 11d ago

Leopard 2A6, High end Abrams, Leclercs, Challengers and I guess K2 and possibly Japanese tanks are all roughly equivalent. They share a lot of tech and know-how, but do different trade-offs.

But they all are significantly better than anything Russia can be expected to field.

The Leopard 2 was however, specifically designed to trump Russian tanks and to fight in European Geography...

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u/S4ftie 10d ago

So that's why Ferrari was nowhere last year. They were builing a tank for Charles.

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u/ThePr1d3 10d ago

Even better pun when you know that Tank in French is Char.

Char Leclerc sounds exactly like Charles Leclerc

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u/UESPA_Sputnik 10d ago

I suppose that's an upgrade compared to the truck they've built for for Prost.

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u/MindControlledSquid 10d ago

Let's be honest. They were all designed to fight Russians.

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u/notbatmanyet 10d ago

True. Though I guess the Asian tanks did not only have Russians in mind. And not European geography.

I believe the Abrams was designed with more theaters in mind as well, even if Russians in Europe was the primary focus.

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u/BigMisterW_69 10d ago

The Leopards are more hyper-focused on that role. They were designed to be the first line of defence in Europe, fighting while massively outnumbered in difficult conditions.

The Abrams is more of a generalist, as you never know where the US is going to invade next.

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u/myselfoverwhelmed 10d ago

Your Abrams description is hilarious lol

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u/notyourvader 11d ago

Apart from fuel efficiency and state of the art armor, it has a stabilized gun barrel with a 4.5 km range. It's considered the best mbt in the world.

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u/ensalys 10d ago

Damn, that's really impressive!

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u/ErwinRommelEz 10d ago

Fucking witch craft

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u/God_Damnit_Nappa 10d ago

That's actually super impressive.

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u/Syntai 10d ago

I don't know why but that is fcking funny, lol.

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u/_Echoes_ 10d ago

"Let me show you its features"

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u/FluentLisp 10d ago

Why did they hire Kelsey Grammer for this demo film?

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u/therealhairykrishna 10d ago

I believe the Challenger 2 is accurate out to about 8km with HESH rounds - it's why they kept the rifled barrel even though it's not so good with sabots.

All the modern MBT's are excellent and 'best' really depends on what you're doing. All of them are insanely good compared to the old heaps that Russia are making do with.

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u/ATownStomp 11d ago

Are they equipped with the new anti-missile systems?

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u/IronVader501 11d ago

Trophy-APS is only equipped on the A7A1 afaik.

And since its an israeli-designed system they'd have to agree, which given their track-record so far, they probably wouldnt.

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u/TWiesengrund 11d ago

You're not so bad either! - signed by Leopard tank family

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u/thematrixnz 11d ago

German tank division vs the Russians? Uh oh

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u/CRG_Ghost 11d ago

But this time we're the good guys :D

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u/Evilbred 11d ago

To be fair, last time you drove around with skulls on your uniforms. Whenever you have skulls on your uniform, it's a good sign you are the bad guys.

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u/CRG_Ghost 10d ago

Checks out on Wagner PMCs

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u/codenamecc 11d ago

“Vladimir, are we the baddies?”

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u/CaptainRAVE2 11d ago

Excellent, that can open the flood gates. Now let’s send as many as Ukraine can use.

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u/meowmeowdj 11d ago

Everyone’s a gangsta, until the real gangster arrives

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u/yusuksong 10d ago

How does everyone here know so much about artillery?

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u/ThrowAwayAway755 10d ago

Some are pretending to, some learned it from experience in the military, and some learned about it from reading

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u/CdnBcn_99 10d ago

And some people play War Thunder…

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u/AbandonChip 11d ago

Oh man, this is the best news I've seen all day!!

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u/Greg1817 11d ago

Let's. Fucking. Go.

I seriously hope these Leopards, along with the vast array of other western vehicles, will be able to change things for the better in Ukraine. These Leopard 2s are a step above current Russian and Ukrainian tanks, and if provided in large numbers they could really do some serious damage, along with the British Challenger 2s that are already slated to be sent.

Looking forward to seeing their combat performance once they arrive in Ukraine.

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u/xXSpaceturdXx 11d ago

This is good news, someone had to pull the trigger first nobody wanted too. but now that there is a go ahead from Germany everybody will be sending them tanks, the floodgates are open. Hopefully with this decision further advanced munitions and armaments will be sent. Ukraine needs air burst artillery rounds like there’s no tomorrow, that would change the tide of the war as well.

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