r/worldnews Jan 23 '23

NATO member Latvia tells Russian envoy to leave, in solidarity with Estonia Russia/Ukraine

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-729336
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u/hieronymusanonymous Jan 23 '23

Latvia's foreign minister on Monday said he had told Russia's ambassador to Riga to leave the country by Feb. 24, lowering diplomatic ties with Moscow in an act of solidarity with Estonia.

Russia said on Monday it was downgrading diplomatic relations with NATO member Estonia, accusing it of "total Russophobia," and Tallinn responded by telling Moscow's envoy to the Baltic nation to leave.

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u/MayonnaisalSpray Jan 23 '23

They call us Nazis literally every week, they don't get to cry about russophobia now.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

And it isn't like the west all of a sudden hates the Russian people.

There is a constant outpouring of support for the soldiers who defect and the populace who speak up against the war, to their own detriment.

We clearly are angered by their government, Putin, Oligarchs and the populace who are indoctrinated enough to support them.

That isn't russophobia, imo.

It is the same has hating the Iranian government and religious leaders, and supporting their populace.

And also being supportive of the people of Afghanistan but hating the Taliban.

Putin just wants to make it an us vs them scenario. When really it is an us vs Putin situation.

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u/crackheadwilly Jan 23 '23

What I'm hearing is we need to cut off the head

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

Cancer will do it before anyone close to him grows the balls. Imo.

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u/omfgwtfbbqkkthx Jan 23 '23

First time I hope cancer wins that particular battle. And probably will again if Xi develops any kind of it. Rest of the cases... fuck cancer

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

Same gurl. Same.

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u/RemoveTheKook Jan 23 '23

Putin looks like he's undergoing chemo.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

I hope it isn't as successful as my mother's.

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u/NoPattern1 Jan 23 '23

I just felt every possible emotion because of that.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

Hopefully not sexy.

But hey, if you did, you do you. 😅

My mother is alive and well even after fighting stage 4 cervical cancer at a later stage in life (8 years clear). So I don't mind joking about it now.

I think it is one of the lower % life expectancies but can't bring myself to confirm it personally. So maybe I'm over exaggerating. Either way. Fuck Putin.

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u/MountainDrew42 Jan 23 '23

My mother is alive and well

Awesome, tell her she rocks

Fuck Putin

With a pointy stick

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u/Leovlish3re Jan 23 '23

My mom’s currently fighting stage 4 breast cancer and just finished a 10 day radiation course to zap her brain, but she’s still kicking (and wants to kick Putin just as much - her mom/my grandma is from Ukraine)

Fuck Putin.

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u/sirlapse Jan 23 '23

Really, is that the puffiness? I thought it was some kind of steroid.

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u/Banaanisade Jan 23 '23

It can be both. My sister's mum was on steroids the last two years of her life while she was fighting lung cancer. Something to do with the infection it was causing. She was really puffy.

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u/number_nyne Jan 23 '23

Steroids are often given with chemo

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u/Cautious_Camp708 Jan 23 '23

He and Medvedev are living the high life, and both getting fat. You could see it in their faces. Lavrov is old and crazy like Vladimir.

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u/Warlordnipple Jan 23 '23

Seems like being near Putin and having balls makes you have horrible balance around windows and stairs.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

All of a sudden they become suicidal and decide to fall on several bullets as they jump out from the 8th floor.

Fuck this world will be better off when he is finally gone.

Even his lackeys must be constantly stressed pit and paranoid.

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u/65112319813200065 Jan 23 '23

I hope he goes with the same diginity and grace that Stalin displayed at the end.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Jan 23 '23

And that's what they're hoping will happen before they realize they need to do it themselves.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

Cowards. The lot of them.

I'm secretly very excited for the world post Putin and to see just which governments, world leaders, ceos who bend over backwards to help out these oligarchs.

In my mind, they were the silent supporters and need to be removed.

It is very easy right now to denounce Russia. Even those who are sympathetic to the oligarchs and their wealth hoarding.

Once the war is over, the people who run to help those poor oligarchs are definitely those we all need to weary of.

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u/FinancialTea4 Jan 23 '23

Cancer isn't necessarily the death sentence it once was and certainly not for the world's wealthiest autocrat.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

At his age. It will kill him. It just may not happen in the next 18 months.

But it certainly will be what kills him.

It won't be a bold security agent who has had enough and realises he would be saving lives lulling the trigger.

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u/FinancialTea4 Jan 23 '23

I don't disagree with your assessment. I just don't think it's a good idea to make any plans that depend upon him dying of cancer anytime soon.

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u/Wide-Concert-7820 Jan 23 '23

That would make the next snake head stronger. The Russians need to understand their intoxication with the former USSR and change. The society has been focused on a very strong government forever.

For this to change, their culture needs to change. Culture change from outside is next to impossible.

This is the card Putin plays.

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u/forcepowers Jan 23 '23

This was their culture long before the USSR. The Russian people have been oppressed by just about every leader they've ever had.

I don't know if a Russia without authoritarianism and extreme corruption is possible. I hope it is, but it's been like this for just about forever.

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u/Wide-Concert-7820 Jan 23 '23

Its my solemn pragmatic view as well. And I think a forced change pushes them further into that corner. And makes the authortarian look like he was right all along.

Edit - and makes the people think more strength is needed.

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u/mc_trigger Jan 23 '23

I know a Russian who lives here in the US and has lived here for at least 30 years, finished college here and has worked here since. She still has strong ties to her family all of whom still live in Russia. She is a strong supporter of Putin and always has denigrated Ukranians even before the “war” (even though she has Ukranian friends).
Full access to world news sources, no risk of censorship or being jailed for speaking freely and she is a full on supporter of this terrorism.
I think in the Reddit group think echo chamber, the majority of Russian people are innocent victims in this, but I think reality is quite different.

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u/Hevens-assassin Jan 23 '23

You're also overestimating your Russian. Them being over here most likely means they were doing pretty well over in Russia, and Putin is popular with the upper class and the poor (as they are most likely to swallow up propaganda). The middle class in Russia seems to be pretty split between the people who don't support and protest, the ones who don't support but keep quiet, and the ones who are vocally supportive.

There's a reason why a lot of the educated Russians tried to jump ship pretty early.

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u/FrequentlyAsking Jan 23 '23

Yup, Russian people themselves have a very imperialist, might makes right worldview. Being feared is something that is very important to them because they never intend to have an equal respectful relationship with anyone, they don't even believe that something like that is possible.

It's like they say about Chinese business culture, a zero-sum game. If I know I did not screw you over, then I must be the one who got screwed over. There is no sense that a win/win solution is possible.

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u/weareami Jan 23 '23

Just imagine what has probably happened to the unfortunate souls who have attempted to end him...

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u/Flimsy-Pomegranate-7 Jan 23 '23

Yea I’m Canada we had a young Russian male here visiting his sister who became a Canadian citizen many years ago and he received a conscription notice while in Canada.

It didn’t take long for him to get refugee status. Any Russian who is brave enough to speak out against the war is welcomed in civilized countries but it’s probably for the best that they leave Europe all together.

I can understand who countries in Europe wouldn’t be so welcoming and would have trust issues about the legitimacy of their speaking out

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

You bring up a good point which is easily solved.

Russian refugees into neighbouring baltic countries is clearly a national security issue (because Putin can and will use it as an excuse to Tey and annex territory from bordering countries).

Easy solution is that instead we of western Europe take them. And the usual Syrian and African refugees are just temporarily housed in those eastern countries instead.

Win win. We all meet our refugee human rights obligations, but no way Russia can try and annex Kent just because a few Russian refugees are housed there.

No chance.

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u/Kokayne_Dawkinz_ Jan 23 '23

Ehh, I think most of us have some bones to pick the general Russian populace at this point, too. They are overwhelmingly in support of this war.

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u/AnAussiebum Jan 23 '23

But that is my distinction. We are not russiaphobic. We are only anti those who support this war and its inherent war crimes.

That's the difference. They are now trying to reframe the discussion as if we are against Russians just for being Russian (kind of like antisemitism). When in reality we are critical of their actions and support. Not of their ethnicity.

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u/syntiro Jan 23 '23

But the distinction is that the criticism isn't happening because they are Russian, but because of their (in)actions and support of Putin's decisions and policies.

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u/FapMeNot_Alt Jan 23 '23

They are overwhelmingly in support of this war.

I am very uncomfortable with claims like this when opposition has the shit beat out of them and are occasionally raped with large objects in the back of police vans.

In general during wars, I have a firm policy against blaming the people.

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u/NetworkMachineBroke Jan 23 '23

Classic abuser behavior. Spew nothing but hate and then turn around and play the victim when they get called out.

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u/CosmicCreeperz Jan 23 '23

This is the most infuriatingly ironic part. Putin and the Oligarchy are closer to fascism than any other government on the planet right now.

Authoritarianism and nationalism, check. Wanton violence and war to achieve imperialist goals, check. One party oligarchic system, check. Government intervention and control of nominally private corporations, check. Romanticized symbolism (hello, “Z” aka the “zwaztika”), mass mobilization, promotion of masculine ideals and a cult of charisma… could go on forever here.

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u/LMFN Jan 23 '23

Which is why tankies infuriate me.

Nothing about Russia furthers the socialist agenda. They're literal fash.

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u/_zenith Jan 23 '23

This. They promote their supposed most hated enemy simply because of their history and that they keep some of the aesthetic. So stupid, fuck.

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u/LMFN Jan 23 '23

AMERICA BAD SO AMERICA ENEMY GOOD.

They're either fucking children who are still in the edgelord phase, or people who never mentally matured past that.

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u/rockylizard Jan 23 '23

The Baltics have been amazing thru this whole thing. Little countries, not rich, but still giving Ukraine equipment and hosting their refugees. And now telling the RuZZian invaders to go F themselves. "We don't need you!" So proud of them!

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u/Nonstopas Jan 23 '23

We are rich in heart and in love and respect to our brothers and sisters.

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u/PM_Best_Porn_Pls Jan 23 '23

Also we know from experience that if Ukraine falls we are next.

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u/Ciwilke Jan 23 '23

Oh boy. I'd like to say my country not forget the past and support Ukraine too. However I'm from Hungary and our bastard, liar and corrupt government help to the Russians and licks Putin's *ss and veto everything that aims to help Ukraine. The Russians killed thousands of Hungarian people and terrorized the country through the history and our officials seems to forgot that... I'm ashamed for this.. But you guys are awesome!

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u/rockylizard Jan 23 '23

Wishing you the best. Wonder how much money changed hands for Putin to own Orbán's soul like this.

May democracy be yours again very soon.

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u/Semujin Jan 23 '23

I'm from the USA, and I think it's safe to say that we've got your back if Putin goes after a Nato brother.

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u/NextTrillion Jan 23 '23

if Putin goes after a Nato brother

Yeah, that’s the point of NATO. But wasn’t trump threatening to pull out of NATO, just as he cut pandemic funding literally moments before a pandemic?

The jist of what I’m saying is that Russia has infiltrated American politics, and things don’t look so stable. Hopefully some of the voting public in these hillbilly states will get their head out of their asses one day and stop electing guys like Moscow Mitch (unlikely).

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u/Sporedi Jan 23 '23

Oh yea, Russian misinformation campaigns do way more harm than people realize. In europe germany is russias target number one for misinformation which results in radicalization and subsequent destabilasition of a coutnry from within. IMO it was a heavy influence in britain leaving the EU and I hope to god other europeaon countries see britain as an example, see how leaving fucked them and don't follow in their footsteps (even though we know how right-wing idiots vote even for stuff that is bad for them). It's astounding how much damage some russian trolls can do. So I just hope the west sticks together in these kinds of situations and that most people wake up to the fact that most of the shit they read online is propaganda from the literal fking enemy.

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u/UnchillBill Jan 23 '23

It wasn’t really just Russian trolls regarding brexit, it was extremely well funded psychological warfare via Cambridge Analytica. The damage that was done through by them through Facebook was huge. Yes Russia was involved, but there were UK based backers too, and the whole thing was made possible by Steve Bannon and tactically ignored by Facebook themselves.

I guess my point is just that if we blame it all on Russian trolls we ignore all the other contributors and enablers and ultimately don’t learn the lessons we need to learn.

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u/Powerdrake Jan 23 '23

I'm from Lithuania and I remember around 2019 when we started to modernize our military very abruptly, we bought a ton of equipment and weapons from various countries (mostly US and Germany) and started training our soldiers for combat in forests and urban environments.

The public story was that "Lithuania afraid of Russia for no reason" I also remember watching videos about it and comments were full of people saying "Nobody is gonna attack you relax". Turns out we got similar intelligence from the US that Ukraine got, warning about possible aggressive military action from Russia. Not many took it seriously, not even Ukraine took it very seriously. Who's laughing now?

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u/BugRevolutionary4518 Jan 23 '23

No doubt. We’ll be there if needed.

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u/Aken42 Jan 23 '23

I was able to visit Estonia about 15 years ago and absolutely loved the country and people. I really want to get back and visit Latvia and Lithuania.

Where are you from?

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u/thorman9000 Jan 23 '23

Latvia is great, we go every summer to visit relatives. Only a little over $500 a ticket this summer via SAS with one stop in Copenhagen from DC.

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u/tinybluntneedle Jan 23 '23

You are amazing people and role model for humanity.

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u/iLikeAlmonds Jan 23 '23

I visited Latvia last Autumn and seriously I love your culture. I only stayed in Vecriga and the immediate surrounding area. The co-workers/friends I met up with showed us around their favorite spots and if we had stayed longer wanted to road trip around. Great culture, great food, and strong resilient people. I’ll forever be rooting for the region!

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u/truffleblunts Jan 23 '23

a small revenge that's been a loooong time coming

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u/Fauster Jan 23 '23

Don't worry. Putin will once again say that it is all going according to the plan. The Moscow talk show hosts will all agree that Russia's mess is a fine plan that is certainly better than any plan that sends you to a Siberian gulag.

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u/Never-don_anal69 Jan 23 '23

He will say that the envoy left as a gesture of goodwill

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u/unicynicist Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 23 '23

Kaja Kallas, the prime minister of Estonia, knows what Russia is capable of. Her mother was deported to Siberia:

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/articles/2021/01/26/7118974/

Her mother, Christy Callas, was deported to Siberia with her mother and grandmother at the age of six months in a cattle car and lived there until she was 10 years old. This was the price that tens of thousands of Estonians had to pay for the will to independence - the patriotic elite of Estonia that Moscow tried to eradicate.

[Edit: fixed typos. I regret the errors.]

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u/1_9_8_1 Jan 23 '23

Her mother was deported to Serbia:

hmm

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u/dychronalicousness Jan 23 '23

A fate truly worse than death

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u/glibsonoran Jan 23 '23

Nothing speaks as strongly as experience. And the Baltics have plenty of experience being part of the abusive and corrupt Russian "empire".

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u/RADI0-AKT0R Jan 23 '23

That’s why they know the only way to deal with idiots like putin, is to actually stand up and tell ‘em to fuck off. The west hasn’t learnt this yet and hence you have this tippy toe strategy as to try and not upset the crazy guy

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u/Eaton_Rifles Jan 23 '23

Yep, Pootin looks on indecision as weakness, which he can then exploit to drive a wedge through Western resolve.

Everyone should show some commitment and send the tanks that Ukraine needs to finally drive these scum of the Earth out of Ukraine and back to Mordor.

That is the only language Pootin understands.

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u/MorpH2k Jan 23 '23

Fun fact, Estonia has a fairly large Russian minority population, something like 25-35% IIRC but don't quote me on those numbers. Some time after the collapse of the USSR, all Russians were offered repatriation and Russian passports if they returned, but very few did. They are still considering themselves Russians, and there is some tension with them not always being treated too well and such, but not enough so to actually want to live in Russia, which is understandable.

Sadly it has led to them not being considered citizens of Estonia either, so AFAIK they are stateless, which is not the fun part of this post btw, that just sucks either way you look at it.

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u/Kosh_Ascadian Jan 23 '23

The gist of what you are saying is correct. Just some fact corrections so there aren't misunderstandings:

24% of people living in Estonia are ethnically Russian yes. They aren't all of the same mind and situation though. Most of them are Estonian Citizens for one. These "stateless" folk exist and are mostly a problem they themselves created But they are something like 5% of the population only or less. There were only 70k of them in 2020 and there are less every year since most of them are old.

And going back to Russia wise I think Russia even incentivized it from their side as well. Still almost 0 takers. They know life is better here.

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u/AzireVG Jan 23 '23

Some misinformation here.

Large Russian speaking population yes, however most consider themselves Estonian with Russian cultural heritage, which is vastly different than considering themselves ex-patriated Russians.

The offer to get a Russian passport still stands from the Russian government, even for 2nd generation Estonian Russians, yet very few, if any people choose to accept the offer.

Grey passports (colloquially 'wolf passports') are actively being phased out, and IIRC no new ones are being issued at this time. The amount of these is also small, which is not to say insignificant.

No widespread mistreatment. However, tensions between cultural and historical backgrounds are expected, and clashes happen. Especially with a hostile neighbouring country fanning the flames in the background.

It is also worth considering that a sizeable chunk of Russian speakers did not voluntarily immigrate during soviet occupation, but were voluntold or shipped here in an effort by the regime to saturate and phase out local culture and language.

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u/MaximusTheGreat Jan 23 '23

Also, just wanted to add some context to the "mistreatment" part for others reading: there are literally kindergartens and schools that are fully taught in Russian, not partially but fully. Kids that go to these schools are significantly less likely to properly integrate with Estonian society because they essentially only speak Russian and they have way fewer work opportunities when graduating because they only speak Russian.

There is a political party, the Estonian Centre Party, a populist party that essentially represents the interests of Russians in Estonia and they are very influential because they get so many votes (from Russians in Estonia).

So things like reducing the number of these Russian only schools (which the Centre party is fighting against) is seen as "mistreatment" and "Russophobia", even though regular Estonian schools teach Russian as part of the curriculum. It's not enough to be fluent upon graduation unless the student chooses to pursue it but it's essentially the same as French in Canadian schools, except French is literally one of Canada's official languages whereas Russian is not in Estonia.

As usual though, there are plenty of Russians that come/came to Estonia that have happily integrated and became Russian-Estonians/Estonian-Russians but they tend to send their kids to Estonian schools, learn the language, don't vote for the Russian party (Centre party), and don't fucking support the invasion.

So yeah, Russians have an incredibly strong presence/influence in Estonia and efforts to integrate them (as opposed to them just carving out their own Russian community inside Estonia) are dog whistled as Russophobia and mistreatment which is bullshit.

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u/Cirtejs Jan 23 '23

Same here in Latvia, they don't want to become Latvians and they also don't want to return fo Russia because it's a lot worse than living here.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 Jan 23 '23

I'd stayed in Latvia for quite a while and always found myself perplexed by their disposition. A lot of them were nostalgic for the USSR, didn't speak Latvian, and their loyalties seemed to lie with Russia.

I wasn't there for too too long, but I had a great time enjoying the culture and learning the language.

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u/LupusDeusMagnus Jan 23 '23

Considering their history, it’s not surprising. Russia isn’t a kind overlord.

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u/SuperSimpleSam Jan 23 '23

Yea if it wasn't for NATO, it could have been them instead of Ukraine.

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u/predsfan77 Jan 23 '23

Literally every bus door has a Ukraine flag sticker on it. Most Ukraine flags you’ll see in your life outside of Ukraine is in the Baltics.

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u/k6iknimedv6etud Jan 23 '23

In Tartu all buses have ukrainian flag on top.

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u/Kenny741 Jan 23 '23

In Tallinn most buildings that have flag poles Infront have Estonian and Ukrainian flags next to each other

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u/ObliviousAstroturfer Jan 23 '23

Amazing, how the closer geographically to Russia, the higher the "russophobia".

It's almost as if having to deal with Russia and having past history with Russia has something to do with it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '23

It’s because they know their fate will be the same as Ukraine unless Russia is stopped. It’s essentially unite or die.

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u/ryan30z Jan 23 '23

They're all already NATO countries mate.

They have the protection of the most powerful military alliance in world history. Russia isn't invading any of them.

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u/TWiesengrund Jan 23 '23

United Baltic Commonwealth when?!

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u/metengrinwi Jan 23 '23

Also Netherlands…they seem to be providing outsized assistance relative to their size. I guess they don’t forget the airliner Russia shot down ~10 years ago.

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u/alexm42 Jan 23 '23

Measuring Ukraine aid given as a percentage of GDP, the Baltics and Poland are running up the score on the rest of NATO.

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u/honorbound93 Jan 23 '23

They really don’t have a choice here. You don’t screw over your neighbors because you are up next on the chopping block

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u/Srapture Jan 23 '23

Russia's statements that show a complete disconnect with reality would be funny if they weren't so totally fucked and destroying innocent people's lives.

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u/PrrrromotionGiven1 Jan 23 '23

Clearly a symbolic choice of date.

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u/therealnozewin Jan 23 '23

For those who don't remember, that was the start of the current war in Ukraine.

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u/trukkija Jan 23 '23

And it is a national holiday in Estonia, more specifically the independence day in 1918. It was pretty sad but funny at the same time when they chose that date to start the invasion..

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u/damage3245 Jan 23 '23

Russia said on Monday it was downgrading diplomatic relations with NATO member Estonia, accusing it of "total Russophobia," and Tallinn responded by telling Moscow's envoy to the Baltic nation to leave.

It's funny that they mention Russophobia as if that's a bad thing. Anyone in their right mind would be Russophobic after seeing what they've done to Ukraine.

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u/TXTCLA55 Jan 23 '23

Not just Ukraine, Russia has a funny history of looking over it's borders and being like "hey look, there's some land over there I could take."

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u/humangingercat Jan 23 '23

Georgia is like, bro where was all this energy in 2008

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u/AltruisticBudget4709 Jan 23 '23

I think everyone was waiting for the long game…. we knew what was going on but it was pretty unclear to the average person, or the average American anyway, how the dominoes would fall. We (the USA) are fairly patient when it comes to dictatorships trynna consolidate or enhance their power, but with Ukraine it was like… obviously too obvious. Wish there was a better explanation…

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u/dughorm_ Jan 23 '23

The same place it was in 2014. The invasion was small enough in scale for the West to ignore it.

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u/Ayn_Rand_Food_Stamps Jan 23 '23

Literally no one was talking about "Russophobia" before Russia started the war in Ukraine. It's almost laughably transparent.

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u/mpa92643 Jan 23 '23

It really annoys me when a government claims any criticism of that government's behavior is actually irrational hatred for the entire population of the country they govern. Unfortunately, it's surprisingly effective.

You think Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia had no right to invade and kill thousands of its civilians? You must be Russophobic.

You think China's forced reeducation camps where Uighurs kidnapped in the middle of the night are disappeared to, tortured, and brainwashed until they forget who they are is a human rights violation? You must be Sinophobic.

You think the Israeli government's support for settlements and forcibly removing Muslim people from their homes, demolishing their house minutes after forcibly removing them, and then giving their land to Jews in violation of international law is wrong? You must be antisemitic.

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u/MitsyEyedMourning Jan 23 '23

Ha, leave by Feb. 24th. The one year anniversary of the invasion.

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u/WarthogBusiness1081 Jan 23 '23

Also Estonia independence day.

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u/griever48 Jan 23 '23

Is it too late to return to sender?

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u/NotUniqueWorkAccount Jan 23 '23

I'll ring ops mom.

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u/dismayhurta Jan 23 '23

She said it was fine.

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u/watashi_ga_kita Jan 23 '23

Do we need to package him in an amniotic sac or will gift wrap do?

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u/dismayhurta Jan 23 '23

Surprise me

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u/Lucius-Halthier Jan 23 '23

The Estonian government wishes you happy birthday

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u/linus_rules Jan 23 '23

It's just a simple one month eviction notice. /S

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u/4th_Times_A_Charm Jan 23 '23

Turns out Estonia is a pretty reasonable landlord

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u/Izhera Jan 23 '23

They updated the article it said 24th before

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u/radome9 Jan 23 '23

Few things unite the Baltic countries like their hatred for Russia.

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u/CaspianX2 Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 23 '23 Brighten My Day

A Polish man is walking on a beach on the edge of the Baltic sea when he sees something odd and surprising - an Arabian-style old oil lamp half-buried in the sand. Picking it up and inspecting it, he's cleaning it off when a genie bursts out of the lamp thanking the man for freeing him, and offering to magically grant three wishes for doing so.

The Polish man thinks about it for a moment, and then he says that he would like the Huns to invade Poland, and then leave. The Genie quirks an eyebrow at this odd request, but then nods his head, claps his hands together, and declares that it is so.

Soon, from their spot on the beach, the pair of them see a hellish sight of the horde of invaders wreaking havoc across the Polish countryside, burning houses, terrorizing the people, and just generally creating chaos. After a few minutes, things die down, and the Mongol horde leaves.

The genie turns to the man, clearly curious about this. Was this truly what the man had wanted? There are tales of trickster genies granting wishes in ways that twist the wish to torture the one doing the wishing, but the genie hadn't even needed to seek out some alternate interpretation of this wish. What was this man playing at?

Nevertheless, the man spoke again, and declared he was ready to name his second wish. The genie expected that the man would do as many before him had done with their second wish, and beg to undo their first wish, but once again the genie was blindsided by what the man had to say. He told the genie that for his second wish, he wanted the Huns to invade Poland, and then leave.

The genie's jaw dropped, but with an uncertain look in his eyes, he nodded his head, clapped his hands together, and declared that it was so.

Soon enough, the chaos and destruction the pair had only just seen coming to an end picked up again, and it was far worse than before, men being slaughtered in the streets, women and children running and screaming, livestock beheaded and bleeding out in the pastures. And then, after this seemed to go on for hours, the onslaught slowly died down and the attackers left the way they came.

Warily, the genie turned back to the Polish man and asked him what his final wish would be, half afraid of what the man would say in response. Sure enough, the Polish man told him that his third wish was that the Huns would invade Poland, and then leave.

Sighing wearily, the genie nodded his head, clapped his hands together, and declared that it was so.

This time, the terror and bloodshed lasted for days. The invaders made it clear that they intended to leave no survivors, and the genie's magical aura protected the Polish man only so he could see the results his wish had wrought. Unspeakable acts were committed on his countrymen, and when this seemingly interminable period of torment finally ended and the Huns retreated back in the direction they had come from, much of Poland was left a smoldering ruin.

Curious, the genie spoke to the man once more, simply asking him why he had done this. Why thrice visit upon his own people such horrors? What could have possibly possessed him to choose this of all things to wish for, not once but three times?

"Because," the Polish man explained to the Genie, "In order for the Huns to invade Poland three times and then return home, they would have to march across Russia six times."

Edit: Okay, for those trying to give me "um actually" corrections about geography, let it be known that:

  1. This is an old joke, I am not the first to tell it.

  2. Traditionally, the joke uses the word "huns" when probably "Mongol hordes" or something like that may be more accurate for what the joke is meant to be saying. I don't know, I'm not a historian, I'm just retelling an old joke.

  3. Such references to an invasion by these hordes seems to be a reference to this. Yes, that's the Mongols under Ögedei Khan invading Russia's capitol city of Moscow and then eventually working their way over to Poland's major city of Krakow (evidently after taking a detour through Crimea and then coming back around to Ukraine). Is this a practical route for invading Poland from Mongolia? Hell if I know, I'm not a horse-riding nomadic warrior tribe. But evidently it is a route that they took.

  4. Is all that stuff I just said accurate? Dunno, it was going off of vague memories and a few quick Google searches. But this definitely isn't lacking some basis in geographical and historical reality.

  5. Also, genies don't exist. Sorry to get your hopes up.

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u/aboutthednm Jan 23 '23

I did not expect that punchline. Well done!

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u/radome9 Jan 23 '23

Beautiful.

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u/dkran Jan 23 '23

Take my award.

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u/CarlLinnaeus Jan 23 '23

"It's not me, it's you." -The Baltics.

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u/ElminstersBedpan Jan 23 '23

"It's not us, it's RU."

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u/Spacedude50 Jan 23 '23

Before my visit to Poland I was told 2 things. Do not overestimate how much they love Jesus and do not underestimate how much they hate Russia

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u/va_wanderer Jan 23 '23

Also, never tell anyone from Poland that they're related to Germans, even if you think it's true. It's one of those historical sore points given all the border shifts. Dad was like 1/32 German technically via genealogical records, but when they visited Poland and anyone asked, it was "Polish-American, multiple generations 100%".

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u/Ambitious-Score-5637 Jan 23 '23

A good example of Baltic solidarity.

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u/Lovv Jan 23 '23

Why not Lithuania aswell?

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u/Traversar Jan 23 '23

We're way past that, maybe there will be another way to show solidarity :D

Lithuania officially recalls its ambassador from Moscow May

Lithuania expels Russia’s chargé d'affaires over undiplomatic conduct October

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u/HotChilliWithButter Jan 23 '23

Lithuania has always been less dependent on Russia, and more leaning towards Poland. Estonia has always been very friendly with Finland but still did lots of business with Russia. Latvia has had the most business done with Russia out of all the Baltics. Great seeing this change, unfortunately we latvians have to look for another future partner. Maybe Sweden?

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u/Gabbaminchioni Jan 23 '23

You got me as a partner if you want.

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u/Pligles Jan 23 '23

🥹🫶

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u/LMFN Jan 23 '23

POLISH LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH 2.0

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u/Yttlion Jan 23 '23

PLC! PLC!

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u/Spard1e Jan 23 '23

Don't all three of these countries have enormous tires to the Nordics?

Especially Sweden because it's big (in comparison to Norway, Finland and Denmark) but it's also right there

And once you're in Sweden you're basically highway-ed to their 3 neighboring countries.

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u/Lovv Jan 23 '23

Thanks.

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u/seza112 Jan 23 '23

Lithuania was first country to downgrade connecions to ruzzia it did that few month ago

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u/nick_shannon Jan 23 '23

Fear and hate are two very different things.

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u/froadku Jan 23 '23

Respect to Latvia and Estonia 👍

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u/rome425 Jan 23 '23

Russia said on Monday it was downgrading diplomatic relations with NATO member Estonia, accusing it of "total Russophobia,"

This is not "Russophobia" everyone just hates you Russia.

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u/FredTheLynx Jan 23 '23

And it ain't a phobia. It's perfectly rational and healthy.

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u/HotChilliWithButter Jan 23 '23

Exactly lol. We shouldnt call it russophobia, we should call it russiafuckoff

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u/SlightDesigner8214 Jan 23 '23

It’s not a phobia when they’re actually consistently invading their neighbors. We call this empirical proof.

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u/mike_b_nimble Jan 23 '23

Yep. And it’s not just Russia. I’m so tired of “the majority opinion” being described as phobias and conspiracies. Whether it’s Russia, China, Israel, or even American Conservatives; if the majority hates your words/actions it’s not a conspiracy, it’s democracy.

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u/Intrepid_Objective28 Jan 23 '23

When you fall into shark infested waters and try to get the fuck out as fast as possible, you’re not being sharkphobic, you’re fighting for your life.

Keeping interactions with Russia to a minimum is the best course of action. Russia and the west are not allies. Russia is a danger to the western world. Cutting us off from them as much as possible is a matter of survival.

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u/Slahinki Jan 23 '23

You're also statistically much more likely to be killed by a russian than by a shark, so it's not an irrational fear either.

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u/rockylizard Jan 23 '23

Russia is a danger to the western world

Russia is a danger to the entire world. Consider their ruthless actions in Syria and Africa, just as two ongoing examples.

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u/Vraxk Jan 23 '23

Russia's Dead Hand system, an automated retaliatory nuclear dead-man's switch, has been holding the world hostage since before the Cold War.

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u/Aschebescher Jan 23 '23

Russia's Dead Hand system, an automated retaliatory nuclear dead-man's switch, has been holding the world hostage

Could you elaborate?

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u/ForgottenBob Jan 23 '23

Russia's Dead Man's Hand system will supposedly launch its nuclear arsenal if it detects a large enough explosion over Russian soil and no Russian leadership is around to deactivate it in time.

However, after the fall of the Soviet Union, one of the generals in charge of developing the program said dead-man's hand was never finalized or implemented because of all the things that could go wrong with it.

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u/Kirov123 Jan 23 '23

Premier Kissov, is that you?

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u/bizaromo Jan 23 '23

sharkphobic

It's healthy and rational to fear something that will try to kill you.

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u/ChadInNameOnly Jan 23 '23

This. It's time to stop hiding behind words and acknowledge that there are behaviors and actions that are totally okay to dislike or avoid. We as a society simply can't just tolerate everything out of principle

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u/Lurnmoshkaz Jan 23 '23

I just wish all of Europe followed Latvia an Estonia. Not just completely severing diplomatic ties but also an embargo.

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u/murphymc Jan 23 '23

They got balls in the Baltics and I’m here for it.

Dear everyone: these are the people who know Russia best and they want absolutely nothing to do with them. Listen to the Baltic states.

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u/j1mmyB3000 Jan 23 '23

‘Russophobia’ was invented by putin.

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u/rich1051414 Jan 23 '23

And extreme projection, after you look at how their state media paints the west. They actually are truly westophobic. That is a real word that has existed for a long time, but we don't hear it as often as perhaps we should.

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u/GerryC Jan 23 '23

Most sane people can draw the rightfully and equally scary parallel between Russia and the rise of the 3rd Reich during the mid to late 30s.

Same play book, different times. There was far too much acceptance of Hitler and Germany during the run-up to WWII. That can't be allowed to happen again.

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u/bizaromo Jan 23 '23

When we look back, we will see this era of Russian history dates back to 1993, an event politely known as the 1993 Russian Constitutional Crisis. Or, less politely, the October coup: When Yeltsin, after illegally dissolving congress and parliament, physically attacked parliament for impeaching him and replacing him with an acting president, Alexander Rutskoy (who has virtually been written out of history and forgotten, along with the once-supreme governing body of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Soviet).

President Clinton immediately called Yeltsin and congratulated him on a job well done! Never mind his actions were unconstitutional, and that Russian soldiers murdered dozens and wounded over 400 peaceful protesters who were unhappy with Yeltsin's policies and power grab. Imagine that: Thousands of Russians protesting the Russian president, and backing his impeachment in parliament!

That is the moment when the power was transferred away from the people of Russia, and into the hands of the executive. It's when the movement to fundamentally change Russia failed. It was largely due to the toxic "economic shock therapy" forced on Russia by the west's most brilliant economics, who did not give a shit for human suffering, so long as it destroyed communism and brought capitalism to Russia. Next came Putin, a slimy former KGB agent, who was immediately correctly assessed by Margaret Thatcher:

"I looked at the pictures of Mr. Putin trying to look for a trace of humanity. I should have known better. [...] They still do not value human life in the same way that we do."

(Which is pretty damning, when you consider how little Ms Thatcher valued life).

So the west has been lenient and appeasing of Russia since 1993. When we (the west) should have supported the people's right for self governance, but instead choose to back the executive power grab since we had the current executive in our pocket. We have been too lenient with Russia's wars in Chechnya and other Republics that attempted to break free of the Russian Federation. We ignored their wars with Georgia, which clearly showed the strategy used in Moldova and Ukraine.

We should have supported the Balkanization of Russia from the beginning. We should have supported Chechnya's independence movement, even though they were Muslim, and the west was unfortuantely Islamophobic. And we should have supported the numerous little rebellions of people trying to break free. There have been many over the past 30 years.

All of this is to say that we have already been too lenient, and ignored the reality of Russian brutality, authoritarianism, imperialism, and expansionism. It has been in front of our eyes for 30 years. The invasion of Ukraine is the direct result of choosing to trade and appease Russia for decades, forging an ever-closer relationship and ignoring the human rights violations. Ignoring the crackdowns on the press. Ignoring the expulsion of NGOs. Ignoring the wars of conquest.

So the run up has already happened. We ALREADY let it happen again. It can't KEEP happening. We have to stop it before it goes any further. We aren't in an eternal equivalent to 1939, much less 1933. We are in the middle of the shit, in the equivalent of the 1940s.

We should be sending NATO tanks, aircraft, and troops to Ukraine, as well as Georgia, and Moldova, to finish this shit off. We should be sending arms and special ops to anyone who wants to fight for independence in Russia instead of being passive cannon fodder in Ukraine.

Russia has already sold the population on the idea that they are fighting NATO troops in Ukraine. What changes if we make their propaganda a reality?

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u/Randomized0000 Jan 23 '23

What changes if we make their propaganda a reality?

Probably world war 3. Not that I entirely disagree with you.

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u/JoopahTroopah Jan 23 '23

A phobia is an irrational fear. Like you say, this is for good reason.

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u/brenstar20 Jan 23 '23

Right and I think most people lack respect and trust for Russia, not fear them. Propaganda is trying to push the idea that people fear Russia when that is not the case

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u/AbbyWasThere Jan 23 '23

The three Baltic nations really are as tight as glue, and it's a bond forged from the collective trauma Russia has inflicted on them.

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u/lepobz Jan 23 '23

It’s not russophobic to despise what Russia is today. Fuck Putin. He’s ruined Russia.

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u/cheeze_whiz_shampoo Jan 23 '23

Yeah, it was such a party before Putin. Russia has never not been a despotic hellhole.

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u/Drop_Table_Redditors Jan 23 '23

People like to pretend that Putin isn't extremely popular in Russia. If they remove Putin, it will be because he failed at taking Ukraine, not because he attempted.

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u/Drummk Jan 23 '23

The politicians who signed the Baltic States up to join NATO did their countries a huge service.

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u/bigbobo33 Jan 23 '23

I mean, it says something that almost immediately after they became independent, they went pretty quick to try to gain membership into the EU and NATO.

Above all else, the Baltic States never want to be under Russian occupation ever again.

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u/AlexdDark Jan 23 '23

this self-victimization by Russia will always remain pathetic. Over one fifth of all Russian speakers live outside of Russia. Russian borders have been only growing since the fall of USSR at the cost of closest neighbours and friends.

And according to the propaganda everyone else is a "Russophobe". fair enough, at this point, what's there NOT to fear?

good for u, Baltics!

Putler kaput

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u/TheNothingAtoll Jan 23 '23

"Russophobia". Russia is an insane country. They lie, cheat, kill, steal, spy, manipulate and sow discord - yet others are just supposed to accept it and go on with their lives? Fuck that mafia state.

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u/rougecrayon Jan 23 '23

The Latvians I know are still a little salty (okay a lot) at Russia for how they were treated in the past.

They get it.

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u/Standard_Arm_6160 Jan 23 '23

As does Estonia.

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u/Its_Just_A_Typo Jan 23 '23

Because if Latvia wasn't part of NATO, the russians would have made rubble out of Riga by now and parked their puppets there.

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u/Kris_n Jan 23 '23

Thats why all three of them stuck together and did whatever they could to get into NATO. They knew Russia would come back if they stood alone.

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u/Its_Just_A_Typo Jan 23 '23

Yup. The Ruzz would be swarming over Vilnius and Tallinn too if they thought they could get away with it.

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u/tinybluntneedle Jan 23 '23

The way the baltics are unconditionally backing each other up is quite touching ♥️

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u/4mrkite Jan 23 '23

Calling them “NATO’s Baltic states” every chance they get is a wonderful not so subtle flex

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u/iGoKommando Jan 23 '23

Surely it can't be because of kidnapping Ukrainian civilians/torturing children,killing innocents, invading sovereign nations and just being a pest to the world. It has to be because of russophobia!

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u/Al_Jazzera Jan 23 '23

Thank you, Latvia for telling the representative to leave and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Cheers to any country, especially ones in close proximity, to tell Russia to be civilized or get the hell out.

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u/MetricSuperiorityGuy Jan 23 '23

It's always fascinating to me how little introspection Russia has. Like, the former Soviet blocs/sphere that Russia now wishes to dominate are the countries that hate Russia the most: Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, and even Poland.

These countries have the most at stake when it comes to war with Russia, yet they're also the most willing to fight Russia directly. Why? They know firsthand just how genocidal and oppressive living under Russian rule can be.

Hey Russia, it's not us. It's you. You're the fucked up ones.

It's really too bad nukes do exist, because it would be nice to put that paper tiger of a military in its place once and for eternity. We'll show them the reason we don't have universal healthcare over here in the Land of the Free...

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u/cspruce89 Jan 23 '23

It's always fascinating to me how little introspection Russia has.

Only if you are approaching the situation as though they are arguing in good faith. They know it's bullshit, or that it makes you go "WTF?". That's the point. Confuse, distract, sow dissent. They don't expect anyone to truly believe them, or feel bad for them (of course a handful of rubes will).

They're doing it to get a rise. They want to show that rules don't apply to them, including the rules of logic and linguistics.

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u/SeaTwertle Jan 23 '23

I’m loving the backhands Baltic nations are giving Russia.

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u/TheGingerMenace Jan 23 '23

Nothing like a good old Russian invasion to unite the Baltics

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u/Ballytrea Jan 23 '23

As someone with a Latvian wife damn proud of that little country and the rest of the Baltic and Nordic countries!

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u/booman30 Jan 23 '23

Russia saying Estonians are Russiophobic is like calling someone a bad host when you broke in their house

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u/doshu99 Jan 23 '23

The Baltic countries know exactly what animal Russia is, hence the “Get the fuck out of our country”.

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u/mombi Jan 23 '23

Few people hate Russians. Most hate what their government is doing, for good reason.

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u/buckeye111 Jan 24 '23

They threaten to end the world with nukes every week then complain about Russophibia. Hilarious.

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u/Killme0now Jan 23 '23

I love how Russian says people have russianphobia..... Dude you guys are invading and killing thousands of people. We dont have russianphobia you guys are just dicks and think you can come out of this unscathed.

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u/rmlx Jan 23 '23

Baltic W

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u/NorgesTaff Jan 23 '23

Total respect from me. I wish every other European country would do the same and also laughed at Lavrov every time he entered, left or stood to speak at the UN.

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u/Alternative-Flan2869 Jan 23 '23

Baltic countries have more balls than the rest of NATO - designate russia a terrorist state already - they earned it.

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u/LordOfTheWasteland6 Jan 23 '23

Wise choice from Latvians. We Finland should also tell our Russian Ambassador to jog on back to Moscow.

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u/Wolverfuckingrine Jan 23 '23

It’s not Russophobia. It’s Putophobia. That’s right, Puto.

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u/Griffolion Jan 23 '23

Russia said on Monday it was downgrading diplomatic relations with NATO member Estonia, accusing it of "total Russophobia,"

Russia really needs to lay off this rhetorical tactic, playing the victim like that as the big bad aggressor simply doesn't work.

Also, given Latvia are a former soviet satellite nation witnessing their former overlord invade and brutalize another former soviet satellite nation, why wouldn't they be so-called "Russophobic"?

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u/NaughtyCheffie Jan 24 '23

Fuckin' Latvia! I went to HS with the son of one of their top Generals and his bodyguard. We'd drink vodka and breakdance in the dorm after hours. Legendary.

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u/put_tape_on_it Jan 23 '23

accusing it of "total Russophobia,"

Hilarity! If they really were actually afraid of Russia, they’d keep the diplomatic relationship. They’re kicking them out because they’re NOT afraid!

Ain’t no one afraid of yo broke ass sad busted down petrol-state anymore, Vlad.

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u/Infinaris Jan 23 '23

Makes me wonder if a wave of Diplomatic Expulsions could follow in solidarity bar the EU ambassador or one of a handful of bigger players to keep a limited channel open.

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u/Witcher587 Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 23 '23

It's not Russophobia. No one in east europe fear russians, they hate them.

edit: It's acutally only Russians and their propaganda who speaks about it. They feel about themselfs as greater nations if other fears them. But this is their inner, their own world and let's keep them in their world far away from ours.

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u/adarkuccio Jan 23 '23

I like you because you're right

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u/UniQue1992 Jan 23 '23

Yes Russia, nobody likes you.

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u/Going_Topless Jan 23 '23

Normalize excluding Russia

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u/barrfen Jan 23 '23

Fuck Erdogan.

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u/Kris_n Jan 23 '23

The Baltic States - has been sticking together since 1991. They don’t like Russia and aren’t hiding it.

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u/GhostDieM Jan 23 '23

Russia's influence on the world stage is crumbling it seems.

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u/heckersdeccers Jan 24 '23

Latvia hated Russia before it was cool.