r/movies r/Movies contributor Feb 19 '23

‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ Overtakes ‘Titanic’ as Third-Highest Grossing Movie of All Time News

https://variety.com/2023/film/box-office/avatar-2-third-highest-grossing-movie-ever-titanic-1235520614/
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u/zaanman Feb 19 '23

its crazy how spot 1,3&4 are by the same director

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u/mseg09 Feb 19 '23

Cameron: I'm playing 3 sides so I always come out on top

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u/Worthyness Feb 19 '23

Never bet against Jim. Jim knows his shit.

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u/skalpelis Feb 19 '23

This is the guy that pitched the Alien sequel Aliens by taking the Alien poster and writing a “$” after it (ALIEN$). It got greenlit on the spot.

You don’t bet against a guy like that.

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u/nightpastor Feb 19 '23

AVATAR$

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u/CrashUser Feb 20 '23

You joke, but they greenlit 4 sequels to Avatar before it was out of theaters.

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u/The_Flying_Failsons Feb 20 '23

No they didn't, they greenlit two sequels to Avatar, and told him that they would greenlight Avatar 4 and 5 if Way of The Water is able to pay for all four movies. That's where the "Way of The Water needs 2 Bil to break even" comes from. About 500k times four so 4/5 of the saga is paid in full.

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u/warriorathlete21 Feb 20 '23

First part of your statement is true but, the quote was actually from an interview back somewhere around 2011-2013. Cameron stated it would need to be a top 5 highest grossing film to break even which was a considerably lower amount back (around 1.4 billion) then compared to the top grossing movies amount nowadays.

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u/wincitygiant Feb 20 '23

2 billion divided by 4 is 500 million, not 500K (500 thousand) otherwise you're absolutely right.

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u/PM_ME_BUSTY_REDHEADS Feb 20 '23

Didn't they greenlight those sequels before it was even done filming?

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u/MrWeirdoFace Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

Morbius$

MoreB$?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

I found it hilarious when this movie first came out. Reddit was full of highly upvoted comments shitting on this movie, and predicting it would be a flop.

"It's boring."

"Hurdur Smurfahontas 2"

"Unoriginal"

"The original came out years ago, no one is going to see this."

"Cameron no longer understands the movie business."

"Far too expensive, won't make a profit."

Goes to show reddits' opinion is often worthless and that redditers are often alienated and out of touch.

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u/SergeantChic Feb 19 '23

Reddit's mistake is believing that Reddit's perspective on the real world matters to anyone who isn't terminally online. It's like Twitter in that way.

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u/CptNonsense Feb 20 '23

Except Twitter outrage keeps getting reported on like real news

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Feb 20 '23

Because journalists are all terminally online

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u/lilbithippie Feb 20 '23

Easy to make headlines when you just gotta open your top feed.

"a Twitter user said Tom Brady is washed up"

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u/insanetwo Feb 19 '23

Avoid any Reddit thread in a field you are somewhat knowledgeable in (with the exception of some smaller subreddits). Invariably the top upvoted comments are horribly and sometimes hilariously wrong.

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u/MrsPuffSmashedMyFoot Feb 20 '23

Oh and the wading through of memes. When I find a new sub that I am trying to find information from, I go to top all time, and usually by the fourth page is when I start seeing the good info

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u/Dont_Call_Me_John Feb 19 '23

Literally every normal, not terminally online person I know was like, "oh cool a new Avatar movie? I liked the first one, we should go see that"!

Box Office Jim knows what the people want.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '23

“Terminally online” is the perfect way to describe niche obsessed contrarians.

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u/garlicroastedpotato Feb 19 '23

I was one of these people and I went to see it. I'm also astonished by just how insanely popular it ended up being. Like, I knew it would be popular. I knew it would (easily) break a billion dollars. The high budget made me think it would still lose money. But now it's cruising to the top. It's at the point where if they re-release it in the summer it could beat End Game and Avatar 1.

Having said that, I also thought Top Gun Maverick would flop. Which is two massive predictions I made in the last two years that were completely wrong.

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u/SuperTeamRyan Feb 19 '23

So every criticism of the movie itself I’ve heard is more or less accurate, and I agree with them I just didn’t doubt it would hit 800-900 million. I thought a billion would be a stretch lol. Shows what I know.

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u/CutterJohn Feb 19 '23

I have many criticisms of the movie too. Worthington is still a dud of an actor. The plot leans even harder into a 'humans bad' caricature. Many of the plot points in the movie are completely out of left field and at no point were even hinted at in the first, making it a kinda piss poor sequel. And where the hell did everyone go halfway through the final fight?

But.

I spent 3 hours in that theater absolutely enraptured like I was a 5 year old watching my first movie, and I didn't even think about those criticisms until half an hour after I left the movie.

The dudes gotten lazy in his writing but somehow it just didn't matter while I was sitting there, because his understanding of presentation is so beyond anyone else in the industry its not even close.

These are never going to be high cinema but they are absolute masterclasses in escapism.

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u/SergeantChic Feb 19 '23

I don't think the humans are even a caricature, I think the movie just doesn't bother with adding complexity to their characters. Which isn't even a bad thing, since in the real world, if we suddenly discovered a species of sentient, emotionally complex alien whale, we absolutely would drill into their brains and murder their kids if it meant extending the lives of billionaires. We already do, and have done, worse shit as a species than anything in Avatar.

Also have to disagree that Worthington is a dud of an actor - he's just not a good action star. He was really good in Manhunt: Unabomber and Under the Banner of Heaven.

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u/WhiskeyFF Feb 19 '23

Imagine being a "dud" of an actor and sitting in piles of cash from being the lead in 2 of the highest grossing moves of all time.

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u/OhTheGrandeur Feb 20 '23

Also have to disagree that Worthington is a dud of an actor - he's just not a good action star. He was really good in Manhunt: Unabomber and Under the Banner of Heaven.

This is correct. His biggest issue is he can't pull of an American/Boston(?) accent consistently. You hear the Aussie accent slipping through all the time.

... granted, in the future where we are a much more global species and less country-centric, who's to say we don't have weird pidgin accents like that.

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u/DweEbLez0 Feb 19 '23

Cameron: I remove all sides and just dominate what exists.

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u/In_My_Own_Image Feb 19 '23

Imagine what the Top 10 could look like if the Avatar sequels maintain this momentum. James Cameron would become the god of the box office, of he's not already.

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u/riegspsych325 r/Movies Veteran Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23

it’ll be decades before any director does the same or comes close. And with the ever changing movie market, who knows if it can be done again. But I’m just happy that the theatrical experience is still alive, I had a wonderful year last year at the movies

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u/ginoawesomeness Feb 19 '23

It’ll get beat cause of inflation, but then again adjusted for inflation Gone with the Wind is still number one and Way of Water doesn’t even crack the top ten.

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u/riegspsych325 r/Movies Veteran Feb 19 '23

Gone with the Wind was in theaters for years and the theatrical output back then was nothing compared to today, let alone even 50 years ago

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u/sheepsleepdeep Feb 19 '23

Adjusting for inflation, Gone With The Wind made 508 million during its first 4-year theatrical run, and then an additional 2.8 billion dollars in the eight subsequent re-releases.

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Feb 20 '23

Imagine any movie getting a 4 year run nowadays

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u/Indemnity4 Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

Rocky Horror Picture show is now going on constant release 40+ years...

Foreign films such as "Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge" (1995) had a theatrical run of over five years.

Jurassic Park (1993) was No. 1 at the box office in 2020, 27 years apart for the re-release.

Fun comparison, Jurassic Park was in theatres for 1 and half years; compared to Avengers End Game that was only in theatres for only 20 weeks.

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u/treesfallingforest Feb 19 '23

It’ll get beat cause of inflation

Not necessarily. There is still a massive gulf between the movies that have broken the $1b gross mark (50 movies total), $1.5b (11 total), and $2b (6 total). If current movie-going trends only improve slightly, stay constant, or worsen, it will take 20-30 years minimum of inflation for movies to see breaking $2b to be a more common occurrence.

That 20-30 years is a pretty massive timespan. Just consider the improvements to AI-generated video and AI-generated voice in the past year, then also consider what kind of improvements we may see in VR in the next 20-30 years.

We're at a crossroads where we really do not know what happens next when it comes to how we produce and consume media. Its highly likely though that cinema will be changed radically sometime in the next 2 decades.

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u/ginoawesomeness Feb 19 '23

Ya with deep fake tech we’ll see Mission Impossible and Fast and Furious movies for the next century lol

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u/dragonmp93 Feb 19 '23

Probably that's going to be the first person that manages to consistently get something out of an AI that is not visual support of a creepypasta.

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u/gloryday23 Feb 19 '23

James Cameron would become the god of the box office, of he's not already.

He very clearly is, I don't know what the argument would be other wise, he has 3 of the 4 highest grossing movies of all time. Also, let's not forget, T2 was not only the highest grossing R-rated movie of all time when it came out, and for years after, it was also number 3 all-time when it came out. So really he's had 4 movies hit the top 5 all time, just one fell out.

Cameron is the greatest populist filmmaker ever. You can criticize his movies all you want, but he knows, better than anyone ever, how to get people to a movie theater. His movies aren't just big, they are often the biggest thing ever for a time at least.

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u/Ycx48raQk59F Feb 19 '23

He very clearly is, I don't know what the argument would be other wise, he has 3 of the 4 highest grossing movies of all time.

That does not even close to show how much avatar and titanic shattered the record back then. Like Titanic almost doubled Jurassic Park, iirc, and Avatar added another billion on top of the pre-rerelease titanic numbers...

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u/perilousrob Feb 19 '23

Jurassic Park was fucking amazing at the cinema. Think I would have been... 16 when it came out. It looked like nothing else, the story was fun, the actors were great in their parts... but it was the music that made it awesome. Can still feel the bass rumble of the big guy's forelegs landing back on the ground, Hammond's "Doctor Grant. My dear Doctor Sattler, welcome... to Jurassic Park!" and the swell of the theme as the camera changes to the wide shot, and we see the herds moving. Movie magic!

I saw Titanic at the cinema too with my gf of the time (my wife for a long time now!) and enjoyed it. Thought it was impressive, even. But it didn't, for all it's popularity, have that same movie magic for me. Plus I haaaated the song.

Avatar, on the other hand, was brimming with the stuff. I loved the movie, straightforward heroes journey though it was. So many magical moments for me - from the hallelujah mountains to the first flight. brilliant stuff.

I've not been able to see The Way of Water at the cinema unfortunately, but I can't wait to buy the bluray to watch at home! And maybe I'll be well enough if it gets an extended edition run at the cinema some time later :)

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u/ruralist Feb 20 '23

I don't know what you're going through, man, but I hope you get better soon. You're right about Jurassic Park—seeing it as a 12-year-old was amazing. Perhaps my favorite movie-going experience.

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u/TheMelv Feb 19 '23

Titanic didn't have 3D and IMAX. Ticket prices were more than double for premium formats and the market got bigger.

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u/trippy_grapes Feb 19 '23

Cameron also pushed for better technology to make (especially 3D) look as impressive as it did. 3D looked like shit and was 100% a gimmick in older films.

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u/UnrequitedRespect Feb 19 '23

Some of those scenes from T2 are still so damn good, the bar fight, the truck chase scene, the dyson office siege, sarah connor’s monologue about how good of a father the terminator would be, Linda Hamilton’s look was just smoking hot and that end 20 minutes to the steel plant was just extremely balls to the wall

Not to mention how menacing the T-1000 was, or just how iconic the shotgun in the box of roses became gush

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u/kemwood Feb 19 '23

I introduced my mom to T2 last year (she’s not much of an action movie enjoyer) and she liked it so much we watched all of the Terminator movies. I told her T1 & T2 were the only Cameron directed installations, but she really enjoyed the universe.

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u/Journeyman42 Feb 20 '23

My favorite factoid about the making of T2 is that the scene at the end when the T1000 turns into Sarah Conner was accomplished by having Linda Hamilton's identical twin sister play the T1000. Because she just happened to have an identical twin sister.

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u/inmyslumber Feb 20 '23

They did the same with the guard that gets stabbed by the vending machine. The actor had a twin brother that they used.

If you see the extended cut, Linda’s sister is used more there. She’s whichever Sarah Conner isn’t closest to the camera.

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u/WalmartyMcStock Feb 20 '23

She’s whichever Sarah Conner isn’t closest to the camera.

Which gets fun with the last battle in the foundry where they're all facing off. Linda and her sister are swapping which one is in front about every time the camera cuts to a new angle.

And yeah the whole extended scene with them working on T-800's head is Linda's sister with her back to the camera and Linda and Arnold in another room to make it look like a mirror.

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u/hotlesbianassassin Feb 19 '23

The argument would be inflation. Spielberg has #4 (E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial), #7 (Jaws), #18 (Jurassic Park), and #25 (Raiders of the Lost Ark) in the top 25 adjusted (domestic?) gross while Cameron only has #5 (Titanic) and #15 (Avatar).

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u/fauxfilosopher Feb 19 '23

He's already, but there's a very good chance he ends up having 6 of the top 7 highest grossing movies when avatar is wrapped up.

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u/KazaamFan Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23

Original content too. Titanic was of course based on something, but the story was its own. Marvel obviously wouldn’t be Marvel without the comics that came before it, so what James has done is special. I also give credit to Star Wars and George; he did all the building of that.

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u/SummerMummer Feb 19 '23

James Cameron knocked James Cameron off the top three list.

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u/Brown_Panther- Feb 19 '23

The box office crown is never given, it is only borrowed and one day you must return it back… to James Cameron.

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u/Llamalover1234567 Feb 19 '23

James borrows the crown from James

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u/Gordonfromin Feb 19 '23

Only james cameron can tell james cameron when its time to move off the top three list to make way for more james cameron

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u/Jercek Feb 19 '23

A son for a son

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u/LightsOut5774 Feb 19 '23

“I used the stones James Cameron to destroy the stones James Cameron.”

Thanos James Cameron

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u/Stonewalled89 Feb 19 '23

You know... call me crazy, but I think they might release the third Avatar now

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u/TraverseTown Feb 19 '23

And crazy enough, a lot of people involved have been insisting that 3 is better than 2

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u/dragonmp93 Feb 19 '23

I'm hyped when the Avatar fights Lord Ozai in Avatar 4.

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u/friedpickle_engineer Feb 19 '23

I'm waiting for the prequel with Vishnu and Lakshmi.

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u/thewannabetraveller Feb 20 '23

Wonder if that's how the humans found out about amrita

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u/Ycx48raQk59F Feb 19 '23

Makes sense, lots of stuff in 2 seems to be setting up later payoff.

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u/sloppyjo12 Feb 19 '23

And supposedly the script for the fourth is one of the best scripts of all time

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u/TheBloodFarts Feb 19 '23

As in best script of the avatar franchise or best script of all time in the history of movies?

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u/twodogsfighting Feb 19 '23

It will be at least the 4th best avatar movie of all time.

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u/CutterJohn Feb 19 '23

We've certainly established what the worst avatar movie of all time is.

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u/-ImJustSaiyan- Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

There is no bad Avatar movie in Ba Sing Se.

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u/Albert_Caboose Feb 19 '23

To be fair, who wants to be the one to give James fucking Cameron notes on his movie?

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u/PovWholesome Feb 19 '23

But Titanic just got surpassed; maybe James Cameron could learn a thing or two from James Cameron

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u/props_to_yo_pops Feb 19 '23

So he's time traveling and feeding himself the info he needs to dominate history. That's so like him.

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u/mysteryofthefieryeye Feb 19 '23

You know, if anyone's figured out time travel and used it to his benefit, it would be James Cameron. But I also feel like he would use it to help our environment somehow, or even to explore deep oceans. So now I've talked myself out of believe he has time travel technology.

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u/mrmonster459 Feb 19 '23

He got notes for the others.

Avatar: The Way of Water apparently received 3 pages of script notes. Avatar 3 apparently received 1 page.

Avatar 4's script just received the words "Holy Fuck"

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u/iOnlyWantUgone Feb 20 '23

Its because Quaritch comes back as a submarine this time

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u/cravehead Feb 19 '23

the aliens said,”bro” like 5 times in this movie. i don’t think it can get better than that

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u/HaikuBotStalksMe Feb 19 '23

You are crazy. They're not going to release it now. Probably in like 2024.

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u/girafa don't be a supersonic epistemic dissident Feb 19 '23

but why? who asked for this? i don't know anyone who has seen this movie i have no friends i can't remember any of the names because of a learning disorder cultural impact DAE

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u/SwimmingLaddersWings Feb 19 '23

Exactly! I can’t even remember the protagonists name. Garbage movie. I’d rather just want Spider Man 38272. Atleast I remember who the main character is!

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u/lionalhutz Feb 19 '23

I work at a theater, it’s been out almost three months now, is still playing, and on weekends it still fills about half the theater

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u/CantingBinkie Feb 19 '23

How does James Cameron do that?

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u/DerpyDaDulfin Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

A) Visuals and audio are incredible

B) Science Fiction Story about Indigenous People Vs Colonizers / Corporatists (The Bad guys are Colonizers influenced by Corporations)

Part B might be the most relatable story of all time for most of the world. It's also easy to understand / approach and requires no additional reading of lore outside of watching it. (Unlike say, Dune)

All this combines for an easy straightforward formula for making big bucks at movies.

I just have a feeling the studio heads and power brokers that be wouldn't be too interested in seeing a growing trend of "anti-colonizer / anti-corporatist" movies either, so it's why we won't be seeing the whole industry cash in on this trend.

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u/Low_Pickle_112 Feb 20 '23

I don't know about that last part. People are really, really good at missing messages, or compartmentalizing them away from real life.

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u/RowYourUpboat Feb 20 '23

The number of oppressive megacorporations putting out movies/shows where oppressive megacorporations are the bad guys is... pretty high. I found it pretty ironic that Apple made Severance, for instance.

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u/_Dead_Memes_ Feb 20 '23

Cause corporations don’t care if the public doesn’t like them, they only care if people will keep buying their stuff. They would gladly sell t-shirts with protest slogans, banners, and other merch to anti-capitalist protesters, make social media posts and press statements about social justice, and then quietly work behind the scenes to make sure none of the protesters anti-capitalist goals are met.

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u/your_cock_my_ass Feb 20 '23

Personally A was the biggest reason for me to go and I think the majority.

I missed out on the first Avatar in cinemas and was told by multiple people it was their best movie experience ever. I didn't want to miss out for this one too.

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u/davidw_- Feb 19 '23

Amazing CGI, HFR, solid work all around

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u/KyleGrave Feb 20 '23

That’s how the original one was. The only other movie I remember being like that was The Hangover. Although Hangover started decent at release and then immediately dropped to our smallest cinema, then the word of mouth/cult crowd boosted it back up to the main cinema for months. We had a huge line down the center of the film by the end of its run. Anyway. Avatar was like that but sustained the whole way

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u/Verpous Feb 19 '23

Marking the second time the Titanic has been overtaken by water.

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u/Seanrps Feb 20 '23

A bit of a sinking feeling

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u/Mindfreak191 Feb 19 '23

It’s like that Obama meme where he’s giving himself a medal for Cameron at this point lmao.

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u/WhereIsThatElephant Feb 19 '23

Avatar III - The Way Of Fire

they all jump into a volcano. Grossing $2B worldwide.

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u/Firnin Feb 19 '23

you joke but we already know that the third movie will be about fire navi called the ash tribe

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u/-ImJustSaiyan- Feb 19 '23

Everything changes when the fire nation ash tribe attacks.

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u/Veni_Vidic_Vici Feb 19 '23

I mean TWOW did all this without Russia and ukrain and with China having a lockdown during its run and thus cutting that money to 1/3 of what it was predicted to be.

If the third one is similarly good, it will be highest grosser of all time.

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u/horseren0ir Feb 20 '23

Unless the world is in an even bigger mess by then

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u/dramafan1 Feb 19 '23

James Cameron's only competition is with himself I guess haha.

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u/ChrisEvansFan Feb 19 '23

Oh to be James Cameron and have gazillion of dollars.

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u/tisn Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23

Fun fact: James Cameron never went to film school. He started out as a truck driver. On the weekends he'd head over to the USC's film school library and photocopy dissertations on special effects and whatnot to study later. "I gave myself a great course on film FX for the cost of the copying."

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u/WhyLisaWhy Feb 19 '23

Yeah, I listened to him do a few podcasts recently and the guy is just a ridiculously hard working and talented film maker. Like the dude is still hands on with Avatar and allegedly working very long hours on it. He kind of disappeared for a bit but now that his kids are older he can go back to work and not half ass it.

And it makes sense when you hear stories about him sleeping out of his car and really pushing to get Terminator made back in the day.

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u/sukezanebaro Feb 19 '23

Actually, he didn't really disappear since avatar 1. He spent 10 years on avatar 2s pre-production and actually developing the cgi technology necessary for the sequels, for example he has patents for the water physics and CG

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u/Ticem4n Feb 19 '23

That is crazy. The pre work that goes into it really shining unlike most movies where the background feels like a byproduct. Like how LOTR spent years pre shooting scenery shots around the world.

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u/TheNextBattalion Feb 19 '23

Avatar 1 was the same. He had the script made before Titanic, but had to invent the technology and film techniques to make it

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u/toadfan64 Feb 20 '23

I always gotta chuckle when I heard he just straight up needed to invent what he needed for Avatar, lol.

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u/PrimeIntellect Feb 20 '23

The making of documentaries are nuts

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u/seine_ Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

He also needed the clout of being the man who had directed Titanic so that he could get the bags of money he threw at Avatar. The script is nothing special, you probably wouldn't fund it unless the one forwarding it to you was an incredible filmmaker.

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u/Its_all_pretty_neat Feb 20 '23

Fun fact: James Cameron actually moved to NZ and uses the same digital FX studio as LOTR (Weta, set up by PJ),

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u/Pirkale Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

Corridor Crew on YouTube have a video where they talk about the VFX of the movie... with a guy from Weta explaining how they did stuff, with BTS footage. Awesome stuff.

Edit: fixed the autouncorrect of Corridor Crew's name. And here's the link to the video while I'm at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Gd0bR2kb4

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u/nananananana_FARTMAN Feb 19 '23

That’s mind blowing. Water VFX are very difficult to create. I’ve stared at the water in Avatar 2 countless of times because I couldn’t believe that was CGI’d.

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u/TaiwanNambaWanKenobi Feb 20 '23

Yeah just compare it to aquaman and Bp2, the one in avatar is so pleasing to see

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u/OldTrailmix Feb 20 '23

He also spent a lot of that gap exploring, investing in green agribusiness, and doing conservation work. Busy guy.

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u/Wubbledaddy Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

A friend of mine was a CG artist for the first Avatar.

Apparently, not only was Cameron as hands on as you would expect, apparently he knew every single shot of that movie off the top of his head.

Like he literally had every single shot and cut memorized, he could talk through the entire movie.

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u/laserinlove Feb 19 '23

Pros and cons of having this personality type. It tends to make you more likely to succeed. It also comes with a lot of obsessive thoughts that can have a negative impact on you psychologically, socially, and otherwise.

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u/LagerLounge Feb 19 '23

He didn't go to film school but he DID go throughthe Roger Corman tree. He learned how to make movies with one of the best

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u/beaverteeth92 Feb 19 '23

It also helped that Roger Corman gave him actual filmmaking experience. He’s responsible for mentoring a lot of famous directors.

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u/nananananana_FARTMAN Feb 19 '23

For the amount of abysmal movies he made, Corman arguably has one of the biggest legacy in Hollywood ever.

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Feb 19 '23

He also got his start under Roger Corman which… for all Corman’s faults, he was willing to invest in young, inexperienced talent and give them a shot where mainstream Hollywood would have kicked them to the curb. Instead of film school Cameron got to hone his craft on real film sets.

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u/ArrakeenSun Feb 19 '23

And as everyone who came through Corman's company usually agrees, he really instills getting stuff in on time and budget. Plenty of people have talent and cool ideas. Being able to sell it to a studio is the hard part

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u/redditor_since_2005 Feb 19 '23

He offered Corman The Terminator and Corman said it was too good for him, that Jim should make it himself.

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u/cancerBronzeV Feb 19 '23

Maybe that has to do with the fact that Corman also didn't go to film school. He was an engineer from Stanford, realized he hated working as an engineer, and went into film.

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u/dontbajerk Feb 19 '23

Yeah, you do learn some skills, but by far the most useful aspect is networking. Really hard to get film work if you don't know people.

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u/mattsmithreddit Feb 19 '23

Zoe Saldana is now in the top three highest grossing movies of all time!

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u/sukezanebaro Feb 19 '23

All she needs to do now is paint herself in another colour

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u/LaconicLacedaemonian Feb 19 '23

White, just to fuck with people.

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u/tetayk Feb 20 '23

Avatar: Tropical Thunder

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u/Timbishop123 Feb 20 '23

White chicks 2 with a 300M budget

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u/aberneth Feb 19 '23

It's a Jim eat Jim world out there

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u/sudevsen r/Movies Veteran Feb 19 '23

Payakan > Iceberg

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u/Saelys123 Feb 19 '23

PAYAKAN THE BEST BOI

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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor Feb 19 '23

The sci-fi sequel has generated $2.2433 billion globally, enough to overtake “Titanic” and its $2.2428 billion tally. Now, “The Way of Water” trails only “Avatar” ($2.92 billion) and “Avengers: Endgame” ($2.7 billion) on all-time box office charts. Cameron, the sole filmmaker with three movies to gross $2 billion or more, has directed the first, third and fourth biggest releases ever.

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u/overtired27 Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23

*unadjusted for inflation. In adjusted figures Titanic still far outgrossed Way of Water.

(This isn’t an anti Way of Water post btw. I’m not one of these people who said it would fail. I enjoyed it, and it’s clearly been super successful. It just doesn’t make much sense comparing box office figures without taking inflation into account. A billion dollars 25 years ago was worth a lot more than a billion dollars today.)

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u/exocortex Feb 19 '23

i think i read somewhere that if those figures were adjusted for inflation, nothing would (probably) ever beat gone with the wind?

But i would really like to see those figures adjusted for inflation. (if that's possible - in the case of avatar 1 the re-release in china 10 years later would be difficult to add together right?

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u/overtired27 Feb 19 '23

Sure, it’s all part of the hype machine. Film studios want the buzz and media want the headlines.

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u/RnVja25hemlz Feb 19 '23

In adjusted figures how is gone with the wind!?

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u/overtired27 Feb 19 '23

Still number one by every count I’ve seen. Wikipedia has it adjusted to 2022 dollars at about $4.2B, with Avatar at $3.8B and Titanic at $3.5B

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u/CosmicConjuror2 Feb 19 '23

Thats truly fucking insane… considering that the population back then was much smaller..

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u/AmishAvenger Feb 19 '23

True, but I think you also have to account for no other similar forms of entertainment. And the fact that people would go to the movies just to sit in air conditioning.

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u/Jermine1269 Feb 19 '23

And it gets the-released every anniversary, and it's been out for a LONG time

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u/QuothTheRaven713 Feb 19 '23

Keep in mind that GWtW was rereleased many times over 40 years, and at the time home media wasn't a thing, or TV airings of films. The only time you could ever see a movie was in theaters.

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u/-MeatyPaws- Feb 19 '23

Also movie runs lasted for much longer back then

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

Not really. There was no tv. And nothing else on.

Imagine avatar was the only movie in theaters for a decade and tv/computers didn't exist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

It doesn't really make sense to compare movies from before home video with movies after. It's just a fundamentally different industry. Inflation adjusted rankings starting in the 70s is a much more interesting and relevant comparison.

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u/LordDragon88 Feb 19 '23

The director of Titanic must be shitting himself now.

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Feb 19 '23

It actually went back and forth for a bit because Avatar got it last week for a day or two before the rerelease pushed Titanic back, but now it's pretty clear that Avatar is outpacing it and will ultimately finish 3rd of all time.

*Caveat I still think Titanic is the most impressive box office run of any of the top 10 films, people who lived through it know how insane that film was when it was out.

But still a huge win for Cameron and an embarrassing loss for the culturally relevant crowd.

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u/girafa don't be a supersonic epistemic dissident Feb 19 '23

I still think Titanic is the most impressive box office run of any of the top 10 films

Those days are long gone, but they were very interesting. When a movie was #1 at the box office for four months straight. In similar fashion, we don't have sleeper hits the same way anymore either. Scary Movie, Frequency, There's Something About Mary, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, etc

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Feb 19 '23

Put it this way, it wasn't just that Titanic was in theaters so long. There was point from 98-99 where you go in a mall or department store... you are hearing that song. You visit your friends house, you are seeing that oversized vhs box set of the Titanic. In 97 if you went out to eat, you would inevitably hear people on a date or a group of girls talking about Jack and Rose. It felt like everyone watched that movie.

It was kind of an inescapable part of culture for a few years.

People who didn't live through that won't understand just how big that is. That's why even the original Avatar and Engames surpassing it wasn't as impressive to me. They kinda came and went after their run. Titanic was everywhere.

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u/LiverpoolPlastic Feb 19 '23

That’s why I always say that Titanic is the biggest movie of my lifetime and will continue to be until probably… forever. The box office success combined with how it captured the GLOBAL zeitgeist for a very sustained period of time? I’ve never seen any movie do it better.

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u/An-Okay-Alternative Feb 19 '23

Titanic's box office gross would also be over $4 billion today adjusted for inflation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

Yes agreed dude. Avatar was a CGI phenomenon for its time, avatar 2 was the sequel to that phenomenon, and Endgame was 10+ years and 20+ hit films in the making, but titanic? That was just a love story on a sinking boat, just a straight up good movie

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

The first one perfected 3D. The second one perfected water. The only way James Cameron can innovate now is to show full penetration.

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Feb 19 '23

“The execs wanted to cut it from the movie. They said it adds nothing to the story, there’s no dialogue, it’s already a long movie, why do we need to include it? I told them, ‘because I wanna see it.” - Captain James Cameron

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u/no_4 Feb 19 '23

Blue people fighting. Penetration. Blue people fighting. Full penetration. Blue people fighting. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 150 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.

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u/TheWh1teL1ghtning Feb 20 '23

$5 billion at the box office

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u/terminalxposure Feb 19 '23

How did we get from 3D > Water > to Full Penetration?

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u/TG-Sucks Feb 19 '23

Because here’s the twist, and there IS a twist.

We show it.

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u/BallParkFranks Feb 19 '23

until it kind of just… ends…

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u/JayOnes Feb 19 '23

You bet against James Cameron at your own risk.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

Say the line Redditor!

Say the line!

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It's Ferngully with smurfs 😔

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u/AdmiralAkbar1 Feb 19 '23

"There's no way Avatar 2 will be a hit," says increasingly nervous redditor for 7th time this year

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u/Brown_Panther- Feb 19 '23

Something something Dances with Pocahontas in space.

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u/Adthay Feb 19 '23

This is my least favorite thing about modern discourse. This myth that if you can find parallels between any two works of art the newer one is automatically bad.

Yeah there were some similarities between the first Avatar and Fern Gully. Fern Gully was good, that's a compliment not a burn.

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u/Sociallyawktrash78 Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

I hate how some people act like every story ever has been a completely original work of art with nothing in common with anything ever.

Anyone with any amount of common education knows that art has been evolving and copying and modifying and riffing off itself since forever, that’s literally how it works.

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u/nananananana_FARTMAN Feb 19 '23

Yeah, by this logic, The Lion King should be a reviled movie because it ripped off Hamlet! Don’t get me started on how many movies should be deemed “lacking” in cultural impact because of their Shakespearean connections.

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u/Phyliinx Feb 19 '23

Now Cameron is angry at Cameron

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u/sudevsen r/Movies Veteran Feb 19 '23

Just 2 non-stop months of /r/movies in shambles,unbelievable performance.

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u/Born_of_Bronze Feb 19 '23

I had people swearing it wouldn’t crack 1 billion on this sub

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u/ptahonas Feb 20 '23

Nah, the sub has flipped to saying "never bet against Jim"

And that they knew it all along.

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u/Z0idberg_MD Feb 19 '23

“It’s dances with wolves in space”

Yes, it’s awesome, isnt it?

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u/PreferredSelection Feb 19 '23

Such a weird complaint to begin with - as if we've been drowning in Dances with Wolves remakes.

It's like, if someone was venting about a movie to me, and they said, "it's Tremors, but outrun/neo-noir." Like... okay, that's fine. People would go see a literal Tremors remake.

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u/sukezanebaro Feb 19 '23

You're right. Reddit just seems to get into hate trains about the wierdest stuff. Along with people regularly being loud and wrong.

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u/We_Are_The_Romans Feb 19 '23

Dune is Tremors in space

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u/fed45 Feb 19 '23

Or is Tremors just Dune on Earth 🤔

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u/Immune2deathnote Feb 19 '23

How could this be? I saw no memes or quotes from people who think references are a substitute for actual humor.

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u/sudevsen r/Movies Veteran Feb 19 '23

Attest this one had Oakley Avatarguy meme so that's some cultural impact.

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u/Jaggedmallard26 Feb 19 '23

He did it, James Cameron finally achieved cultural impact. I'm so glad he's finally able to create films which people use to make unfunny memes with.

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u/Im_Thinking_Im_Black Feb 19 '23

Remember when everyone on reddit and twitter thought that this movie would fail? To the point where this became the most upovted Avatar-related submission in reddit history?

No better indication that all of the discourse here is occurring in a minuscule cultural bubble.

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u/brunchick3 Feb 20 '23

Wow that is like the perfect example of how terrible Reddit and social media is.

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u/ceaguila84 Feb 19 '23

Freaking genius man. I saw a screening of Avatar Friday with Q & A with James Cameron.

It was more like a focus group where he wanted to know stuff people liked & disliked about the movie as a way to improve the next ones.

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u/UTRAnoPunchline Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

I remember this post because I took my son to see it on the Thursday before it’s official opening night so the first few screenings and it was posted that same night. Like yeah man most people probably don’t even realize you can go see it at 4:30 the day before now

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u/jackassthmatic Feb 19 '23

Man that post cracked me up because no shit most people don't wanna see a 3 hour movie at 12 A.M. on a weeknight. Like what a shock lmao.

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u/freshstartnewguy Feb 20 '23

I thought the rumors of this sub were overblown and then the one article I see in this sub about Avatar and 100 people saying the same really weird thing about Avatar. I don't get how people can't accept that yes a f ton of people have both seen Avatar and liked both Avatar movies. I get its not for some, especially here, but to live in denial like its not a significant at this point franchise is childish and stupid.

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u/JunkScientist Feb 19 '23

The Lion King(2019) is Top 10. What...

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u/UTRAnoPunchline Feb 19 '23

Awww, man, after a decade of hearing that the Avatar Sequel would flop. This is nice.

It's been a fun couple of months for Avatar Fans.

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