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u/pyrexslide 10d ago
Is it just me or does anyone else love how this thing has curtains?
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u/solareclipse999 10d ago
After all that steel - of course they want to have a homely touch.
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u/waltjrimmer 10d ago
homely touch
Huh. I always thought homey and homely were basically antonyms. I had only ever heard of homely used in reference to people, meaning plain, unpleasant in appearance, or even ugly.
But, no, you're right. Homely also means homey, cozy, comfortable, reminiscent of home, things like that.
I guess... I only ever heard it being used in the mean way before.
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u/CiderDrinker 10d ago
Homely as a reference to people looking plain and unattractive is, I think, a feature of North American English.
In British English, I've only ever used homely to mean 'cozy, comfortable etc'.
I think this can cause a certain amount of transatlantic confusion.
But there *was* a connection. If a woman wasn't very attractive, but you wanted to say something nice about her to a prospective marriage partner, you could emphasise her 'homeliness' - her ability to cook, keep house, make your life cosy and comfortable. From there, it got the sense of 'nice girl, but not a looker'.
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u/LonelyGnomes 10d ago
Thank god you pointed this out because it’s confused the living daylights out of me for years
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u/Jon_Ok_111 10d ago
If you google it, the british and american definitions are basically antonomous, so you're not wrong in the first part
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u/schizoidparanoid 10d ago
I’ve never heard the word “antonomous” used before (although my phone seems to thinks it’s spelled incorrectly and keeps attempting to autocorrect it to “antonymous”…?) and it’s a really interesting word. The adjective of an “antonym.” Huh. Thanks for the fun new vocabulary word! Now to find a way to use it in conversation…
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u/graveybrains 10d ago
Jawas with tasteful home decor.
Now I’ve heard of everything.
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u/sb77steve 10d ago
Iron curtains
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u/Humdngr 10d ago
Babushka made them for Ivan
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u/bstix 10d ago
I remember watching a short documentary in the 90s, just after the fall of the USSR, about an old woman, who was the last remaining worker in a coal mine. She ran all the machines by herself. Everyone else had left, but she had nowhere to go, so she just kept working, because it was all she'd ever known.
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u/goldenfoxengraving 10d ago
God damn. That's weirdly admirable and sad at the same time.
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u/delicious_turtles 10d ago
I would be really interested in the name of that documentary, if you or anyone else knows
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u/bstix 10d ago
Yeah well me too, but unfortunately I can't find anything online. It was broadcast in the early 90s on Danish national tv, and it's likely one of their own productions or part of a news show. I'll try to search their archives when I get around to it.
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u/sblahful 10d ago
You could try emailing one of their archivists if you can find their address - I've worked in a similar role and there was a lot of scope for assisting historians and researchers.
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u/multiarmform 10d ago
how dare you talk about my wife like that
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u/m_ttl_ng 10d ago edited 9d ago
The whole thing looks like a cross between Star Wars and Howl's Moving Castle.
It looks super inefficient and I can't imagine why they wouldn't use tracks, but it's so unique and cool looking.
Edit: I have some ideas after looking at this for a few minutes:
- a walking crane is actually simpler in construction and operation versus a large tread design that would require gearing and a transmission system for an engine; the drag line would already have a hydraulic system for the crane, so they could use a hydraulic system to also power the legs
- the drag lines are largely stationary during operation, which can be for a long period of time while they are mining. By using the walking design they can “plant” the equipment in a single location for a long time, resting it on a stable base and not having to worry about apply brakes while stopped
- drag lines often operate near larger piles of extract or near edges of pits, so it is desirable for them to have as small of a surface area on the ground as possible to get as close to the working environment as they can
- less slippage during movement with the walking treads since there’s less lateral force being applied
For the bagger linked above, that is basically a moving assembly line that requires more regular movement, and also more precise alignment to the working area. So the trade offs of using treads makes more sense for that equipment.
Edit 2: fixed formatting
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u/TwoShedsJackson1 10d ago
Simplicity? Very few moving parts here and not much to go wrong. Tracks are a whole world of complexity and possible breakages. However this vast machine is heavy so needs permafrost or hard soil to move around.
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u/FeedbackPlus8698 10d ago
Tracks bury downwards and are not veŕy good after a certain size. This is one of the better ways to move massive massive equipment over less desirable ground
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u/Hereiam_AKL 10d ago
Actually I would expect that guy to operate mainly in areas that have a lot of frost, that'll melt and turn the ground soggy for a few month in summer.
And in those areas, you get a low standing sun for hours a day, hence the curtains might be more of a requirement than an ornamental feature. Basically huge sun visors.
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u/Johannes_Keppler 10d ago
Exactly. It is also a very post-war-Russia solution, why use a complex solution when a simple one suffices.
(We once had Russian cars in the west form the LADA brand. They came with a tire iron, manual air pump and tire repair set. As a kid -in the eighties-I thought that was very smart. And well it is when in the Russian outback I guess. In the Netherlands people call a breakdown service though.)
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u/Phage0070 10d ago
I was thinking another aspect which makes me think post-Soviet Union is the equipment that is being used yet also openly rusting away without evident effort to maintain it.
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u/alymaysay 10d ago
That old machine wouldn't be working if it wasn't maintained, that rusty metal is just a shell, it doesn't need to look pretty to do what it's intended to do.
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u/CarbonGod 10d ago
There was/is a website....englishrussia.com i think, I looked at all the time years ago....just posts with pictures and some descriptions.
Paging through that stuff , was scary. So much currently used places and machinery, just....falling apart. Factories, mines, buildings, etc. looked abandoned, but where fully functioning!
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u/ministrul_sudorii 10d ago
I... Don't get it. Thus is what my modern Western car comes with....
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u/PoignantOpinionsOnly 10d ago
came with a tire iron, manual air pump and tire repair set
Man, this really shows the difference in approaches.
In America cars came with a tire iron, a car jack and a whole other tire that should be enough to get you somewhere safe.
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u/PriusProblems 10d ago
Same in the UK, unless it's some upmarket modern car. Then you get a can of goo and a breakdown service. But most cars on the road will have a full size or space saver spare.
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u/hikerboy20 10d ago
That’s violently Russian
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u/Left_Squash74 10d ago
Violently Soviet.*
It's made by НКМЗ (Новокраматорський машинобудівний завод), a Ukrainian company.
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u/Particular-Summer424 10d ago
I know, right! Adds that extra level of creature comfort to this creaking rust bucket on skids. Throw in auto pilot, come back a month, and voila, it's traveled the length of a football field. Now, "that's progress." /s
Did you notice the chain down below. Wouldn't want that taking off on it's own.
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u/Falconpunch3 10d ago
For those of you that want to learn more about these machines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragline_excavator
"In all but the smallest of draglines, movement is accomplished by "walking" using feet or pontoons, as caterpillar tracks place too much pressure on the ground, and have great difficulty under the immense weight of the dragline. Maximum speed is only at most a few metres per minute,[11] since the feet must be repositioned for each step.[12] If travelling medium distances (about 30–100 km), a special dragline carrier can be brought in to transport the dragline. Above that distance, disassembly is generally required. But mining draglines due to their reach can work a large area from one position and do not need to constantly move along the face like smaller machines."
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u/0rphu 10d ago
They say that it's too heavy for treads, meanwhile these exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagger_293
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u/mynameisblanked 10d ago
No, they said the treads place to much pressure on the ground.
I assume it's more about the horizontal than the vertical.
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u/Nozinger 10d ago
nah the reason is much simpler:
The walking design is smaller and cheaper.
To support such a massive weight you multiple sets of huge tracks. That is ot only insanely expensive, it also requires a huge base area. This means you have to disassemble the whole excavator if you want to travel logn distances since those tracks aren't moving fast either.For the walking design you just take off the legs and the boom and some wheeled mode of transport can move that thing around.
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u/MrDiggleBoots 10d ago
Nah nbobody just dismantles a drag line to move it around, they move themselves around. If you're running an operation large enough to be operating a drag line, then you probably aren't too concerned about how long it takes to move it either. The places I've worked that run these only use them to move spoil piles and the like so that the rest of the mine can get in and do their thing.
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u/Nozinger 10d ago
That is kinda the point isn't it?
If you have that big and heavy machine that you do not want to move around a lot anyways why even bother with expensive and high maintenance tracks when some limping on steel legs does the job? It is jsut a cheap and efficient solution to the given problem.And while nobody really wants these to move long distances it needs to be done occasionally and in that case it is easier to move than a tracked vehicle.
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u/MrDiggleBoots 10d ago
You'd be pretty well on the money. Where these things usually operate is on the edge of pits or spoil piles so the operation area for these things is stupid wretched with possibility of cracked walls from blasting that they're actually parking these big cunts on or the piles of dirt where dump trucks have just tipped dirt off and bailed. If you were to put the full weight of the dragline on something like a set of Cat tracks then the whole machine would want to just spear itself into the shitty ground that's supporting it. If the weight of the dragline puts so many pounds of pressure per square inch on that dirt, then to lessen the burden on that shitty surface it's performing its balancing act on while working you simply increase the surface area, spreading them pounds over a wider area and reducing the pressure on the supporting ground. Walking on feet means it can lower itself onto its own belly to work, rather than balancing on tracks like a digger or the like
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u/labrys 10d ago
How can you mention the mighty Bagger, without linking to this masterpiece? Bagger 288: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow
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u/Pbj-paterick 10d ago
That was so fucking weird, I love it. People are so creative. I don't always understand, but I do appreciate. And I appreciate you for sharing this.
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u/SagaciousTien 10d ago
This will be perhaps the 7th time I've heard this song this week and I've never heard it before now.
I'm going to keep listening to it though, so we can all remember the greatness of Bagger 288, that which remains keeping us protected from being de-meated by doom robots
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u/schmitzel88 10d ago
I was wondering this too and haven't seen a clear answer yet. It might be that the bucket wheel excavator is so much larger that the tracks can be made big enough to disperse the weight well.
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u/sometimes_bored2345 10d ago
It looks so apocalyptic
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u/FlyingPurplePerp 10d ago
This is the most mortal engines thing I've ever seen, the aesthetic is just so good.
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u/ElefantPharts 10d ago
I don’t care what anyone says, I love that movie and I’m tired of pretending I don’t!
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u/Enlight1Oment 10d ago
Needed less attempt at plot and more city on city fighting
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u/timelyparadox 10d ago
Damn forgot they made a movie. I loved the book, so I was trying to stay away from the movie. But also it is something I wanted to have a movie as a kid so might aswell try to find where to watch it so that past me would be happy.
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u/bundabrg 10d ago
If you've read the book prepare to be horrified at some of the movie choices. However I liked the movie for its effects and can forgive the rest enough to enjoy that.
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u/ubergrits 10d ago
JustWatch is a great resource for this: https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/mortal-engines
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u/Budget-Falcon767 10d ago
I couldn't believe they left out the Panzerstadt chase!
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u/dicemonger 10d ago
I love the ideas, and I love the visuals, but story and pacing-wise it felt to me like three movies, where they cut out the two thirds that would ground it and provide context and just left in the major plot points and spectacle. Even some of the plot points that don't really do a whole lot for the movie without those missing two thirds.
It's like taking the Lord of the Rings trilogy and reducing it to two hours, but refusing to leave out any major character. Or at least that is what it felt like to me.
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u/verticalMeta 10d ago
Go read the books there’s 7 of them and the last 6 of them FUCK
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u/skirtpost 10d ago
That movie was awful and should have been much better. It deserved better. 🥲
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u/forgedsignatures 10d ago
That was my view too. I was a major fan, althrough I have not reread in years which is likely a good thing as I likelu would have found more things wrong with the film. Did I enjoy it? Err, yeah. Did I enjoy it as a work of Mortal Engines? No, not really.
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u/Throbbing_Furry_Knot 10d ago
Peter Jackson seems to have gotten involved with progressively weaker films over time, whereas in the past his name meant it was probably gonna be good.
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u/Throwaway2Experiment 10d ago
For real. I watched it, having no idea about the books, and came away super excited for the sequel since I only watched it fairly recently.
A Google search crushed me. Lol
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u/2roK 10d ago
Alita, Mortal Engines, Alien and many other great movies that deserved more sequels but came out during the Marvel craze where apparently every movie that didn't make at least a billion dollars in revenue was labeled a failure.
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u/Bammer1386 10d ago
I know I'm not alone in saying the new Hollywood model is shit. Years ago I'd go to 5 or more movies each summer. Now I can barely find more than a movie or two each year I have to try to care about. Everything is a worthless sequel to a prequel that gets shoehorned into a specific timeline in the canon, slap Marvel or Star Wars on it, and call it a profit. Nobody cares about originality anymore and it's frustrating.
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u/ModishShrink 10d ago
Fair enough, but the book sequel to Mortal Engines slaps so hard that Dana White is trying to get it into his new league. Predator's Gold is fucking phenomenal.
Hell, I think I'm going to pick up this series again tonight. Love Mortal Engines, such a highly underrated series that never really gained traction in the States.
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u/Anon4711 10d ago
Me, describing russia in general
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u/FriesWithThat 10d ago
This walking excavator is on its way to help invade Ukraine and should be there by 2035.
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u/Apprehensive_Fix_151 10d ago
Howl's moving castle
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u/Photogrammaton 10d ago
Ivan’s moving castle
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u/EmperorThan 10d ago
In this version Howl gouges out Calcifer's eyes so he can never make a more beautiful walking castle for anyone else.
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u/ThelmaDeLuise 10d ago
So many Jawas in there.
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u/Boatmasterflash 10d ago
Thats the first thing i saw! A sandcrawler
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u/lesser_panjandrum 10d ago
A sandcrawler crewed by jawas who saw an AT-AT and got ideas.
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u/best_blind_ref 10d ago
Untini!
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u/Paranotical 10d ago
The fact this thing has curtains in the cabin and walks immediately gives me steampunk and sci fi vibes, imagine this autonomously walking through the desert as the owner of it is casually lounging around in the cabin listening to music, and is armed to the teeth daring any bandits to attempt to rob it. This is freaking AWESOME.
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u/Benjamintoday 10d ago
The more I look into Russia, the more I see thats basically SciFi gone horribly right. Personsl nuke heaters, this thing straight out of my rusty banged-together dreams, beutiful eerie music.
I need more Soviet engineering in my inspirations
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u/Left_Squash74 10d ago
Yes. The former soviet union is a lot like that. I walk by a decaying mural about humanity's conquest of space as I buy bread cooked in a medieval wood burning oven.
It's no surprise westerners love soviet-aesthetics. Where else can you see the ruins of the future that never came?
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u/A_Milk_Carton 10d ago
-initiates space race -wins -leaves -refuses to elaborate further
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u/RunAwayWithCRJ 10d ago
It needs a nuclear reactor for energy and a vapor condenser for water. You could probably run a hydroponic farm large enough to feed one man inside that thing.
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u/zimmer1569 10d ago
Thought about same thing, I imagined someone living in this thing, having a soviet style room inside and being careful for other apocalypse survivors.
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u/HighFiveKoala 10d ago
Looks very Mad Max
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u/corvettedreamride 10d ago
My dad ran a walking dragline for most of his working career mining coal. They are still used all around the world. They are much too heavy for wheels or tracks.
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u/nomnivore1 10d ago
Used for phosphate mining in Florida. Really cool pieces of equipment. Iirc they are electrical and actually plug directly into the grid. "But what if it accidentally unplugs itself" don't worry it moves at like two feet per minute. Someone will see it coming.
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u/teamkillcaboose 10d ago
see, you say that…
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u/maybe_a_human 10d ago
In my experience with industrial machinery, it's more like "someone will see it coming and assumes someone else knows about it and will deal with it"
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u/MFDoomEsq 10d ago
Was wondering why walking was better than tracks!
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u/Embarrassed_Alarm450 10d ago
Imagine digging out something that massive if the tires were to get stuck in the mud... 😬
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u/gr1mm5d0tt1 10d ago
I did so many shutdowns on draglines I was hoping to never see one again. That black Jack is returning to haunt my dreams tonight
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u/pedunt 10d ago edited 10d ago
I can't work out how these feet put less pressure than a caterpillar track? Especially as the track could run the whole length of the vehicle? Surely better than lifting the whole thing every movement
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u/PepperShaken 10d ago
Expecting to see a bunch of Tusken Raiders any time now.
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u/MidnightPhoenix5055 10d ago
That is exactly the first thing that came to mind
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u/xlDirteDeedslx 10d ago
Reminds me of the ore crawler on Star Wars Rebels. Definitely a less popular show but well worth the watch, it gets WAY better after the first season.
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u/Astronius-Maximus 10d ago
Isnt that crawler the same kind that the Jawas used? The Jawas repurposed a mining crawler as their mobile base of sorts, so I wouldnt be surprised.
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u/GStewartcwhite 10d ago
Jawas.
Nerd card revoked.
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u/HistoricalMention210 10d ago
Pfft! This is clearly a AT-AT or AT-TE. Who's nerd card is revoked now?
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u/GStewartcwhite 10d ago
If you think that's anything other then a Sandcrawler, a visit to your optometrist is in order.
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u/Izzysel92 10d ago
If that thing actually makes the "uwomp" sound the AT-ATs made, I'm gonna lose it
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u/collinuser 10d ago
Sir! We designed the…. Thing with 350000 horsepowers, it only needed 35000. What do we do?!?!
Make it walk.
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u/thatgoddamnedcyclist 10d ago
I'm just imagining the first day of testing: well, Igor. Let's see if your numbers work.
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u/caliberM1A 10d ago
"Can you speak bocce? What I really need is a Droid that understands the binary language of moisture vaporators."
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u/Helenium_autumnale 10d ago
Looks like something out of a Ghibli movie. Love the little fancy curtains in the human-pod.
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u/L3tsg0brandon 10d ago
I love how many different colors and states of rust this is in. I guess maintenance is not on top of the priority list.
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u/MadridGoPRO 10d ago
Looks like an old drag line. Some of them are directly connected to the grid because they draw so much power. Actually moves quite fast compared to some of the other ones. Can move up to 150MT per one bucket scoop.
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u/Chaos-Pand4 10d ago
Calcifer, is it you moving the castle? You are a top notch fire demon! I like your spark!
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u/Legio-V-Alaudae 10d ago
How does this thing look so post apocalyptic without the apocalypse happening first?
Did I see this thing in Metro Exodus?
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u/Creative-Berry5044 10d ago
Is there any engineering logic on this thing? Didn’t they figure out continuous track or multiple wheels
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u/Bitter_Mongoose 10d ago
The engineering concept is that it operates at high latitude in areas that are prone to marshy ground conditions for most of the year.
If you've never operated a piece of equipment that is very heavy and sits on wheels or tracks in soft earth you'll find out real quick all they do is get you stuck worse faster.
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u/robo-dragon 10d ago
In addition to what another commenter said, the machines that use a “walking” mechanism are often way too heavy for wheels or tracks. These are a simple and efficient method for moving a big and heavy machine across hazardous terrain.
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u/GetRightNYC 10d ago
Looking at it, it looks like it's entire weight is being held but a few inches of steel. The rim around both of the circular shafts. Am I wrong?
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u/xTELOx 10d ago
While that's true, the weight of the machine is being transferred to the ground via many square yards of surface area. This allows it to spread its weight out and not sink into the ground.
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u/FlyingPurplePerp 10d ago
Maybe this is cheaper and more space efficient, the stability and tration may also be benefits? Idk know for sure but I would likw to learn more about this thing.
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