r/formula1 Nov 16 '22 Wholesome 1

Red Bull pulled off an amazing front wing change this weekend. Misc

With all the other topics to discuss this week no one has mentioned that the RB crew pulled off a super quick front wing change for Max. When they first finished I thought they had saw something and gave up and were going to retire the car. 10 seconds to change a wing has to be a record.

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u/Kicking-it-per-se Fernando Alonso Nov 16 '22

Yeah think they said on Sky they think it’s a record. Was previously around the 12s mark

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u/Roger_Deferer Nov 16 '22

Only takes me 8 in f122… just saying

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u/Kicking-it-per-se Fernando Alonso Nov 16 '22

And that’s just you on your own, doubly impressive

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u/thetrueblue44 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 17 '22

magic alonso could do that even quicker

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u/Karrigan7 Safety Car Nov 17 '22

instead of pit crew, magic did it by himself

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u/Nerellos Nov 17 '22

Hired by ferrati

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u/rbryan06 Sebastian Vettel Nov 16 '22

Yeah. Ted was saying it was a quick one given what they needed to change. Plus at that point it was great for them to keep ahead of Charles.

Also happy cake day!

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u/DinoKebab Nov 16 '22

Yeah. I heard the TV commentators say it was a faster than expected pitstop considering the procedures they had to perform.

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u/Diet_Christ Nov 17 '22

Yeah. Some are claiming it was speedy given the list of pit duties.

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u/dj_vicious Minardi Nov 16 '22

The only comparatively fast one i remember was minardi in 2001.

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u/miathan52 Chequered Flag Nov 16 '22

How on earth do you remember front wing changes from 2001

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u/Macktologist Christian Horner Nov 17 '22

Yeah no kidding. Some people have great memories. If that was me, I would have been like, “I remember one from like 2004 or 1998 or sometime around then. I think it was Minardi. Not even sure he raced all those years. But yeah. I remember there was a fast one back then.

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u/dj_vicious Minardi Nov 16 '22

I just remember thay one for being really quick.

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u/l0tu5_72 Formula 1 Nov 16 '22

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u/VanillaUnicorn69420 Formula 1 Nov 16 '22

Weren't those trolleys banned soon after?

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u/l0tu5_72 Formula 1 Nov 16 '22

Yep still amazing idea. And many more things were banned.

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u/ShawnShipsCars Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 17 '22

Toyota at Bahrain (2008 i think) had a front wing change when they used a small push cart to wheel the nose right up to the car.

Would have changed the game if it wasn't banned.

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u/Grasshop Sebastian Vettel Nov 16 '22

Red Bull’s stop was 10s flat. Quite impressive.

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u/AlexBucks93 Kevin Magnussen Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKm59ktOeI0

This is 9.1 seconds

edit. wrong link lol

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u/Silver-Cat8772 Niki Lauda Nov 16 '22

happy cake day

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u/Kicking-it-per-se Fernando Alonso Nov 16 '22

Thank you!

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u/JayDaGod1206 Formula 1 Nov 16 '22

Yeah. Red Bull are cracked at pit stops

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u/DiscoveryOV Lando Norris Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

I think Mclaren has the fastest pit stop this season so far, 1.8 1.98 seconds for RIC.

But yeah Red Bull is consistently quick, generally 2.0-2.2.

Edit> the previous fastest was 2.09 at Zandvoort for Perez.

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u/officialmonogato Formula 1 Nov 17 '22

OT but isn’t it strange that nobody talks about that 1.8 sec pitstop? Because since the new pitstop safety regulations, there’s a automatic and electronic safety margin build in of .2 seconds. Which in this case means McLaren pulled off a 1.6s pitstop.

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u/Opperhoofd123 Nov 17 '22

I thought it was 1.98 though, still fast but makes more sense

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u/DiscoveryOV Lando Norris Nov 17 '22

Yeah it was 1.98, updated my comment.

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u/opossomSnout Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

Could have swore Checo had a 1.8 second just last race. He’s had fast stops this year.

Nevermind I’m stupid.

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u/rowandeg Nov 16 '22

Too bad Mercedes made everyone use those new wheelguns because of "safety".

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u/gramathy McLaren Nov 16 '22

Mclaren: Im gonna go sub-2 second even harder

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u/Tetracyclic Medical Car Nov 16 '22

It was McLaren pushing for the rule change, and look how well that's worked out for them.

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u/Remy-today Red Bull Nov 16 '22

It might have resulted in 1 stop under two seconds for McLaren but on average Red Bull is the best team at pitstops when looking at average times over the season.

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u/Tetracyclic Medical Car Nov 17 '22

McLaren went from the 8th fastest team last year to a clear 2nd fastest this year, with the overall record so far. It's not about how McLaren compare to Red Bull so much as how they compare to themselves last year.

It's also the reverse of Mercedes, who have dropped from the 2nd fastest last year to the 8th fastest this year.

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u/deltree000 Charlie Whiting Nov 16 '22

I mean it was only a matter of time before a mechanic broke their wrists or worse. I remember a helmet cam POV from a wheel gun mech and the light on his wheel gun went green and Albon floored it simultaneously. Less than a tenth of a second later and he would have been in a world of pain.

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u/FlyByNightt Gilles Villeneuve Nov 16 '22

As we know, this NEVER happens with supporters of any other team. Shame!

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u/MalevolentFather Niki Lauda Nov 16 '22

This argument is so asinine. Red Bull were bending the rules but somehow everyone pretends like RB are being hard done by with the pit stop rule clarification.

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u/aarpcard Nov 16 '22

Rules are meant to be bent, not broken.

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u/mark_vorster Bernd Mayländer Nov 16 '22

but it's understandable when the FIA don't want safety rules to be bent

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u/atinysnakewithahat Renault Nov 16 '22

Not safety rules.

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u/aarpcard Nov 16 '22

If you can bend a safety rule to the point it becomes unsafe but your actions are still within the letter of the rule, then the rule needs to be rewritten.

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u/atinysnakewithahat Renault Nov 16 '22

Duh, that was the start of this thread - the fact that the rules were changed because people were bending them

To which you responded that rules are meant to be bent

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u/RetroMedux McLaren Nov 16 '22

/u/aarpcard was agreeing with you

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u/MalevolentFather Niki Lauda Nov 16 '22

And the FIA decided that this rule in particular was in fact not meant to be bent.

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u/aarpcard Nov 16 '22

So they made a new rule that can't be bent in the same way as the old rule . . .

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u/s1ravarice Damon Hill Nov 17 '22

No they didn’t.

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u/Sensitive_Inside5682 Oscar Piastri Nov 17 '22

Yep, and when rules are bent beyond their purpose they are re-worded so they can't be bent.

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u/wnderjif Michael Masi Nov 16 '22

The sport would be better without digital signals and lights to tell the driver to go. Bring back the lollipops.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

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u/AlpineCorbett Nov 16 '22

Really spices up the live feed. I'm into it.

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u/wnderjif Michael Masi Nov 17 '22

I just watched the 2010 Hungarian GP. Merc fucked up Rosberg's stop and he lost a wheel in the pits during a safety car pit-bang. It was great entertainment.

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u/Snorreee Max Verstappen Nov 16 '22

Yup

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u/UnicornMaster27 Aston Martin Nov 16 '22

I know there was a lot of action on track—to the point where Crofty didn’t realize Stroll passed Seb for P10, until they were crossing the line—when he did so several laps before.. but it really felt like pit lane coverage was severely lacking this weekend for some reason.

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u/KarambitMarbleFade Nov 16 '22

I don't disagree with your point in general, but I do distinctly remember Ted and the rest of Sky talking about it being a lightning fast front wing change and possibly a record. Nobody could think of a time in which a front wing was faster than ten seconds.

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u/UnicornMaster27 Aston Martin Nov 16 '22

For sure, I remember too. I meant camera-wise. They always have footage of live pit-stops and I feel like that was missing for a good majority if not the entirety of the race

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u/KarambitMarbleFade Nov 16 '22

Ah, I would definitely agree with that then.

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u/Samuel7899 Nov 16 '22

I was about to disagree with you... But then I remembered that I was watching Max's onboard during that wing change. Ha. I was thinking... "what? They showed the whole thing!"

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u/ajacian Red Bull Nov 16 '22

there was just so much going on lol. Crashes and penalties and spicy radio messages and passes and battles

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u/Gizshot Nov 16 '22

Probably the most exciting race of the year especially after mexico

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u/ajacian Red Bull Nov 16 '22

for me it was silverstone

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u/Gizshot Nov 16 '22

Yeah Silverstone ending was wild this one the beginning was wild.

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u/texanyall8 Ayrton Senna Nov 16 '22

I mean silverstone beginning was wild too, both Lap 1 and Lap 2

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u/El_Cactus_Loco Nov 16 '22

Tv coverage was really sloppy on Sunday. I was seeing overtakes and outstrips on my tracker and wondering why they weren’t being shown on the main broadcast.

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u/Ts_Patriarca Max Verstappen Nov 16 '22

It's funny cause they then proceeded to completely fuck up his next stop

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u/Nattekat Nov 16 '22

It's difficult to count to 5 you know.

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u/Dont-Be-A-Baby Daniel Ricciardo Nov 17 '22

It’s better to over count the penalty than to under count it.

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u/vonGlick Nov 16 '22

Not completely. Just one wheel. /s

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u/Safe-Entertainment97 #WeRaceAsOne Nov 16 '22

Sainz knows the pain of his team screwing up just one wheel...

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u/mr_marshian Sebastian Vettel Nov 16 '22

And bottas knows all about not (un)screwing one wheel

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u/Zeebow05 Daniel Ricciardo Nov 16 '22

The Red Bull and Mclaren pit crews are top notch. Mercedes aren't even top 3 as Ferrari have consistently quick pit stops...when they have all 4 wheels...

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u/6745408 Ted Kravitz Nov 16 '22

its so true. Here are the fastest for this season

Pos. Team Driver Event Time (sec)
1 McLaren Ricciardo MEX 1.98
2 Red Bull Perez BRA 2.04
3 Red Bull Perez NLD 2.09
4 Red Bull Perez ITA 2.10
5 AlphaTauri Tsunoda BRA 2.10
6 AlphaTauri Tsunoda BRA 2.13
7 Red Bull Perez USA 2.13
8 AlphaTauri Tsunoda USA 2.14
9 AlphaTauri Gasly BRA 2.17
10 Red Bull Perez ITA 2.17

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u/pfankuch #StandWithUkraine Nov 16 '22

Is it possible that Perez is better at positioning his car exactly at the right spot in the box or is Max usually in a position that they don't have to take a risk?

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u/OldWiseMann Nov 16 '22

Could be, it’s also not out of the question Perez positions it better but at the cost of more time loss in the pit lane in total.

I remember France 2021 where Max gained a second in the pitlane that Mercedes couldn’t account for, so not the actual pitstop but the entering till stopping on the marks and getting dropped of the jacks and leaving the pitlane was a second “too fast”.

It might be Max compromises his position in the pitbox vs how fast he enters it or something.

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u/eOMG Nov 16 '22

Afaik each driver has his own pit crew so maybe Perez his crew is just doing a better job this season

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u/VanillaUnicorn69420 Formula 1 Nov 16 '22

They have their own engineers/mechanics but the pit crew responsible for pit stops is the same. It can consist of any team members, usually mechanics but there can be someone like media spokesperson or a team doctor. Or even the team principle.

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u/Kronzor_ Max Verstappen Nov 17 '22

Are there any classic examples of non-mechanics being part of a pit crew?

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u/pavlo_escobrah Nov 17 '22

Hugh Jackman, Racing Point

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u/jackedup1218 Max Verstappen Nov 17 '22

Idk about “classic” examples, but I remember Horner giving a tour of the RB paddock and mentioning their IT guy was part of the pit crew.

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u/1Meter95 Red Bull Nov 16 '22

Nope, the drivers have the same pitcrew.

Imagine a double stack where you'd have to swap pitcrews as well lol.

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u/Dont-Be-A-Baby Daniel Ricciardo Nov 17 '22

I could absolutely see the stewards investigating to many pitcrew member beyond the wall.

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u/xkcdthrowaway Kimi Räikkönen Nov 17 '22

Them wildlings, I tell you.

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u/shadybonesranch Zak Brown Nov 16 '22

McLaren was inconsistent earlier this season but have really locked it down as of late

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u/jfleury440 Nov 17 '22

They got used to the car.

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u/Alvortus1812 Ferrari Nov 17 '22

Sadly Daniel didn’t

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u/RyukaBuddy Sebastian Vettel Nov 17 '22

Mercedes seem to be focusing a lot on not fucking up and giving the crew more time. O.5 seconds extra in the pits did not make much of a difference when they were 0.5 off pace per lap for the majority of the season.

But they need to revise it for 2023 if the car is competetive.

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u/saposapot Nov 17 '22

I think that’s the issue. They had a lot of years where it didn’t matter so they always opt for slow and safe. Problem is that now they can’t change from that mindset.

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u/derango McLaren Nov 16 '22

You're forgetting the pit stop where Lando came in and they didn't have tyres waiting for him ;)

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u/yehcheersaye Nov 16 '22

Yeh I was so blown away by it man, they Fukn nail strat and pits. These bigger wheels have slowed them a little and McLaren nailed a worldy instead, but overall they are such a well oiled machine

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u/Nermcore Nov 16 '22

I was watching replays of last year yesterday, and I can’t remember which race it was, but one of the last races of the season Yuki had a front wing change in under 10 seconds

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u/wsyawn32 Nov 17 '22

Kind of apples to oranges. The front nose of last years car on average was much quicker to swap. This year it’s been 12-15 seconds to swap the front wing

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u/Nermcore Nov 17 '22

Ooo good point! My bad!

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u/DiminishedProspects Nov 16 '22

Any place for good stats on pit stops by team / year? RB pit crew is simply phenomenal.

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u/6745408 Ted Kravitz Nov 16 '22

https://inmotion.dhl/en/formula-1/fastest-pit-stop-award is probably the best for the fastest ones.

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u/DiminishedProspects Nov 16 '22

Perfect, thank for this.

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u/anupsidedownpotato Nov 17 '22

Does anyone have a link to a clip I can't find it on YouTube

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u/WeirdAlPidgeon Lando Norris Nov 16 '22

Does anyone happen to have video of it? I’m a sucker for a good pit stop

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u/Coldterror10 Haas Nov 17 '22

I didn't even notice as my only time seeing a wing change was in game and there it's around 7-8 s

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u/zhenjou Pirelli Medium Nov 17 '22

0.(0(pkp?

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u/saposapot Nov 17 '22

RBR strategy and pit stop crew are always on point. Kinda amazing how other teams don’t just train more their pit stops to achieve that

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u/cplchanb Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

Nope in 2017 they changed hamiltons wing in about the same time. 10s is pretty standard these days

Edit: check the footage. They replaced his wing in 8.8s noticed they used the side jack which is what they use when changing front wings

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u/AggrOHMYGOD Nov 16 '22

No it’s not.

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u/Equivalent_Duck1077 Red Bull Nov 16 '22

It really isn't

Most are done in 12 seconds

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u/AceMKV Sebastian Vettel Nov 16 '22

No lol, it's literally a record

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u/AlexBucks93 Kevin Magnussen Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKm59ktOeI0

This pitstop is 9.1 seconds with a front wing change.

edit. wrong link lol

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u/jfleury440 Nov 17 '22

The older front wing designs used to be quicker to change. 10 seconds might be a record for the new design.

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u/ForgetfulFrolicker Nov 17 '22

The commentator said he doesn’t remember seeing one better than 11 seconds. Some people in this thread disagree though.

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u/jfleury440 Nov 17 '22

The current front wing design takes a longer time to change vs some older designs. 10 seconds is impressive for the new design.

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u/cplchanb Nov 17 '22

Check the 2017 Mexican grand prix footage... they changed hamiltons front wing in 8.8s

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u/jfleury440 Nov 17 '22

2017 was a different design than today.