r/formula1 Medical Car Nov 13 '22 Silver 1

Verstappen on why Hamilton clash was "a shame" - and his "reasons" for not obeying team orders in Sao Paulo Misc

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.verstappen-on-why-hamilton-clash-was-a-shame-and-his-reasons-for-not-obeying.1ELF9CKbZJAkeHtwUexnc7.html
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u/continuewithwindows Nov 13 '22

One big thing I’m still wondering is assuming everything is actually true why did it happen his week of all Grand Prix weekends

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u/nascentia Guenther Steiner Nov 13 '22

If we assume it’s all true, maybe it was now because this was the first time Max was in a position where he could be ordered to help Checo, so it simply hasn’t come up before?

Max’s thinking could be “He fucked me then, I’ll fuck him back whenever I get the chance” and it took six months for that chance to occur.

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u/Franks2000inchTV George Russell Nov 14 '22

Max even said he'll help Checo however he can in Abu Dhabi. This is definitely a tit-for-tat exchange.

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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Red Bull Nov 14 '22

First time Max was asked to give Checo a place

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u/47_28_37 Nov 13 '22

First time in a long time he’s been asked to help Checo?

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u/Yeshuu Default Nov 14 '22 Take My Energy

Because he had a bad week. Lost out in every session and came off worse after a crash with Hamilton where he has said he didn't care if he took him out.

It's zero sum. If he's not winning, nothing good is happening.

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u/Uyahla Nov 13 '22

Lewis: "What can I say? You know how it is with Max.

Max: “I just went for it, he didn’t leave me space so I knew we were gonna get together. It cost him the race win, for me 5 seconds. It wouldn’t have mattered anything for my race because we were way too slow.”

Lewis: “I don’t have any concerns. I think it’s natural when you have the success and the numbers on your chest that you become a bit of a target. But it’s okay, it’s nothing that I have not dealt with before.”

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE NEVER LEFT!

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u/LukeHamself FIA Nov 13 '22 Silver Helpful Take My Energy

Is Max’s mentality very unsportsmanlike or it’s just me being naive. How could you take advantage of a situation to create a crash only because there is more to lose for your competitor?

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u/ResilientBeast Jacques Villeneuve Nov 14 '22

Same thing with Mick at Silverstone. He knew Mick was going to get his first points and had more to lose

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

Honestly why I love when Charles races him he has idgaf attitude for wheel to wheel with him. I think Russel has started doing it too and no Hamilton is probably thinking if a couple of lost places is what it takes make this guy think twice then so be it. Max has to learn he's in the best car other drivers are willing to risk more with him more

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u/weiner-rama Fernando Alonso Nov 14 '22

Russell definitely had an IDGAF attitude racing max this weekend for sure. It was awesome

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u/Scatman_Crothers Kevin Magnussen Nov 14 '22

Got him the win, really. He was able to get off cleanly from P1 and control the race wire to wire.

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u/Brandon-Heato Nov 14 '22

Charles races like a goddamn maniac. I love it!

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u/Alexlam24 Charlie Whiting Nov 14 '22

Too bad his pit wall are maniacs too.

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u/Helpful_Cheek2448 Nov 14 '22

This makes me so sad for Charles. He's such a great driver, has a great car, but the choices his team has made has destroyed this year for him.

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u/callmelampshade Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

It’s just weird that whenever he races Charles he’s respectful and when he had that mad race with George he was also respectful but when it’s Lewis all the respect goes out the window lol.

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u/b0xel Mercedes Nov 14 '22

Max doesn’t race Charles the way he races Lewis. If he did they would also crash

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u/Scatman_Crothers Kevin Magnussen Nov 14 '22

I agree but I don’t think Charles races Max the way Lewis does either. There’s something about those two when they’re wheel to wheel they are both like a dog with a bone.

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u/15yearoldadult Nov 14 '22

Cause he had more to lose at the start especially with DNFs under his belt already. At this point he’s won he doesnt care i guess

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u/newontheblock99 Nov 14 '22

I really got this from all of Sainz’s interviews this week especially post sprint. People aren’t just gonna let Max push his way around since they realize if you wanna win you’re gonna have to push back

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u/Stiggeh193 Nov 14 '22

I feel like this part of Max's personality was on display at the latter half of last year when Lewis needed to be flawless in the last 4 races to win the championship. Brazil you had Max driving Lewis off the road to stop him overtaking and then no end of questionnable moves in Saudi Arabia. Max knew he had less to lose by causing such incidents and made sure they happened.

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u/M1L3N Mercedes Nov 14 '22

Being 100% realistic here, it is F1's fault as much as Max'

They enabled him over and over again to where it became the norm (talking about the 2021 season). Max was 4 car widths outside of Turn 4 when Lewis tried to pass him with 0 repercussions, a milder version of that move cost Gasly a 5s penalty during the sprint race yesterday.

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u/vaporification Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

That incident still befuddles me till this very day. Even a 10 year old who's watched a few races knows that should've been a penalty. No matter in the end because Hamilton still won, but that really set the tone of the FIA's stance last year.

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u/HankHippopopolous Murray Walker Nov 14 '22

Yep. The stewards were so scared of getting involved for some reason. I’m not sure if it was for the show or because of the wrath they’d get from certain toxic fans but whatever it was the stewards let way too much slide.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

It's because the last time they got involved and decided the race win was Canada 2019 which caused the mother of all social media shitstorms and meant the FIA were scared of getting involved at the front for the next two years (e.g. charles pulled a defensive move in Monza 2019 that Ocon(?) made a carbon copy of and got penalised for in 2021 but Charles didn't get penalised for it because he was winning)

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u/vaporification Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

I get the bit about Canada 2019, though imo since Hamilton eventually overtook him fair and square and it was obvious Verstappen wasn't going to win, they should've slapped him with a penalty after that since it was the next best option. Sure, they would've gotten slammed for delayed action, but that's better than complete inaction.

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u/Outside_Break Nov 14 '22

The FIA fixed the entirety of last season. They enabled Max to drive Lewis of the track repeatedly without punishment. Should have banned him for brake checking. And finally we all know what happened on the last lap. Vomit inducing.

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u/call2pop Nov 14 '22

^ this. I wish I wasn’t still so annoyed about this given the time that’s passed, but it’s really difficult to digest blatant unfairness. That will always be a tainted title, which sucks for everyone involved.

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u/Outside_Break Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Honestly it killed F1 for me. I’ve not watched a race since and barely watched any highlights or followed it.

It’s not out of anger or anything. Like I am angry about what they did but it’s not why I don’t watch it. Something changed for me and I really just don’t care about it like I used to.

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u/multimap2-1 Michael Schumacher Nov 14 '22

I don’t know why but something similar happened to me. I stopped watching the NBA when Kobe died

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u/Laurynas3000 Ferrari Nov 14 '22

They didn't start enabling him in 2021. Max has made crazy moves and was left unpunished years before.
Example - 2016 SPA vs Kimi https://youtu.be/aZi7gJAXnKI

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u/Mayhem747 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Which is why I think the penalty today was a good step. He surely doesn’t care about a 5 second now, but he will be when he’s contending for title again. If he knows his antics will now be punished he will stop doing them eventually.

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u/dramatic-pancake Nov 14 '22

The only reason they had the balls to give him a 5 second is precisely because it’s irrelevant in the championship at this point.

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u/richhaynes Nov 14 '22

He won't stop doing it at all. His post race comments showed how he doesn't care about being penalised. His radio comments also show he thinks he's better than the team. He may have talent but his character is awful.

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u/Realistic_Arugula704 Nov 14 '22

They don’t give him penalties when he’s contending for the title.

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u/VibeComplex Nov 14 '22

You get it

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u/mkwaks Nyck de Vries Nov 14 '22

They wouldn't give him a penalty if it would cost him the title.

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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Mercedes Nov 14 '22

It happened earlier in the season as well, Spain, Bahrain, France off the top of my head

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u/TravellingMackem Nov 14 '22

And Imola and Monza

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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Mercedes Nov 14 '22

I mean, it was literally his entire attitude last season vs Hamilton

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u/Mein_Bergkamp McLaren Nov 14 '22

How could you take advantage of a situation to create a crash only because there is more to lose for your competitor?

This was most of last season, it's literally how he operates and he's not shy abot being upfront about it.

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u/EnderWiggin07 Lando Norris Nov 13 '22

Lewis has said similar things regarding Max. Basically that you have to be willing to make contact because otherwise you have to back out every time and lose every head to head. It's definitely a battle of wills between those 2.

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u/Yung_Chloroform Nov 14 '22

Max and Lewis definitely treat each other differently to the other drivers they go head to head with. I think that's also a big part of why this particular rivalry is so special.

Lewis in particular I think had to switch up his approach to wheel to wheels with Max and take it back to his McLaren days because that level of aggression is the only way to contend with him.

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u/Probodyne Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Max passing other drivers is fine. Hamilton passing other drivers is fine. Those two try and pass each other and it's carnage.

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u/brownierisker Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '22

Right? We've seen both have long, clean fights with other drivers this year and last year, but when they meet it's like there are two strong magnets in their cars.

Of course the previous regulations were part of the reason for the do or die moves, following killed the tires so often you either get past turn one lap one or you might get one or two more overtaking attempts if you're lucky, leading to those super agressive moves. Then after their crashes in Silverstone and Monza, and Max's 'defending' in the last couple races, all culminating in that super controversial AD finale, there's no love lost between the two.

Whenever they meet on track it's just different, feels personal like two wolves fighting to be the alpha wolf of the pack that is F1. I really don't think we'll see a rivalry as heated on track as Hamilton vs Verstappen for quite a while after Lewis retires

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u/LordLorditon Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

Also Max is super aggressive against Lewis. He can race as we saw earlier this year with Leclerc or even with Russell. The red mist comes down when he has the chance to one up Lewis.

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u/TravellingMackem Nov 14 '22

It’s the only way to contend as the stewards refuse to punish max otherwise. If the stewards did their job and penalised the lunging even when contact isn’t made, as they should, then there wouldn’t be the issue there is today

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u/aPpS6969 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

I'm surprised that people are learning about this now somehow. He's always been like that lmao not sure what you guys were watching before if u never noticed. Or maybe the orange smoke hindered his fan's vision

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u/AxeSaw Sergio Pérez Nov 13 '22

Feels very Senna-esque. Brundle says in the top gear documentary about Senna that he'd drive in a way that would let the other driver decide if they were gonna crash or not

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u/Icy-Operation4701 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Tbf, this was also said about Lewis (especially during the Nico years). It's probably just become a sort of poetic thing to say this about certain drivers (since they are likened to be like Senna).

Like Senna before him, Hamilton engineered situations where it was up to the other driver to back out to avoid a racing incident where blame would be shared.

Here for example

Eta

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u/AxeSaw Sergio Pérez Nov 14 '22

Yeah I mean that's why the Brazilian fans took such a liking to him in the first place, he wore his Senna inspiration on his sleeve with the yellow helmet and his driving style early in his career

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u/theirspaz Nov 14 '22

You can drive however you want for any reason possible but then its the fias job to step in. Feels like last year they didnt want to get involved in the championship only to in the end be the ultimate deciding factor. Rules should be more clear at least to the fia wich still isn't the case thou apparantly. It seems it's more a political decision most times.

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u/lestat01 Nov 14 '22

It's very funny seeing people surprised that Max is "unsporting". Like... Yeah.

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u/potatoe96 Ferrari Nov 14 '22

I don’t get how it’s suddenly a big deal. We saw this basically every race last year. Max was intentionally trying to crash into Ham more often than not.

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u/A_Slovakian Nov 14 '22

Max literally admitted to knowing that what he was doing was going to lead to a crash. Like, come on, that's pretty black and white to me. Everyone knows Lewis could have left more space, of course he could have, but Max wouldn't have, and many, many of the other greats wouldn't have left that space. The difference today was that the person being squeezed was Max, and with Max, if you squeeze me we crash. Good luck.

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u/speedster1315 Jacques Villeneuve Nov 14 '22

He said that as he was side by side into turn 2, he knew it was gonna happen

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u/Rydahx Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

Same thing happened at Monza last season

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u/Hubblesphere Nov 14 '22

Honestly this race I was happy to see Lewis not yield. You see Max’s thought process though, does not care about hurting anyone or ruining his own race if he thinks he doesn’t have the pace to win.

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Because Max’s whole mentality is “I’d rather crash than yield”.

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u/Schauerte2901 Nov 14 '22

Reminds me of what Sennas opponents said about him: „He often used to put us in the position where we were going to have an accident, and he would leave it up to you to decide, whether to have that accident or not.“

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u/brain_tourist Nov 14 '22

So Max basically admitting he intentionally created a situation where they would crash. At least he’s honest. Like Checo said - he showed who he really is.

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u/richhaynes Nov 14 '22

"I just went for it... I knew we were gonna get together"

Am I the only one who thinks Max should be disciplined after those comments? Sounds to me like he's admitting he drove carelessly.

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u/jlr2387 Nov 14 '22

This is a 2x world champion acting like a complete juvenile. He needs to grow up now, no more excuses. Also fuck his “reasons” for not helping his teammate.

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u/LilArmy Love Is Love Nov 14 '22

So basically admitting he went did it on purpose

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u/TeddyousGreg Pirelli Wet Nov 14 '22

Such a shame. I was really starting to warm to him this season but this weekend has shown that he is still as immature and reckless as last season.

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u/nova_bang Red Bull Nov 14 '22

We go to Abu Dhabi, of course we want to win the race, but also if there’s a chance to help Checo I will

can someone paint a picture of how max could possibly help checo in abu dhabi now that he's fucked him over already? the only theoretical scenario i could come up with is taking away the fastest lap point from charles if checo and charles somehow end up on P9 and P10. any other offers?

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u/kl08pokemon Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '22

He could always torpedo Leclerc

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u/Luushu Mick Schumacher Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Then Charles is at a disadvantage, because Carlos can't do the same since they really need the points against Merc.

Or maybe Carlos torpedoes Checo into George, the safety car comes up, Lewis retires due to PTSD, Charles gets the fastest lap, takes the last turn, only to have the car run out of fuel. He calls the team about it on the radio, they are checking and question him if he can push the car to the finish line.

Except here comes Max from behind and pushes him past the line (think Lightning McQueen in cars) after literally everyone crossed the line. Post-Race, he loses the fastest lap due to being off track limits for it, and Checo turns out to have had the fastest lap before that. Checo smashes a bottle on Max's wing and rides off into the sunset wearing a sombrero and with a bottle of tequila in each hand, screaming "I LOVE MONACO!"

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u/redarrow992 Nov 14 '22

Unless max goes bowling and takes out the Ferrari's somehow? /s

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u/ciaragemmam Nov 14 '22

I’m assuming if Checo ends up ahead of him he won’t overtake to keep LeClerc behind? But big ask considering how today went tbh

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u/PonchoHung Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

If a race win is on the line I don't have faith in Max helping.

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u/ImAHardWorkingLoser Carlos Sainz Nov 14 '22

That's true for p6 too as seen today so I don't even know anymore lol

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u/Finance_Minimum Nov 13 '22

why is this massive drama unfolding ike half a year after the fact ? Did Checo (supposedly) admit this week or something ?

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u/MaliceAlice_92 Yuki Tsunoda Nov 14 '22

Yeah. Plus, Checo had no reason to crash on purpose. He wasn't on pole and a crash could only cause damage to the car and compromise his race. The only reason could be to deny Max pole, but I don't think Checo would do that intentionally. Even if he had some beef with Max, he's helped him in so many other races, so no reason to act otherwise just on that one occasion. Unless someone provides good reason why would Checo crash intentionally, it's nothing more than baseless rumours to me.

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u/Popoye_92 Alain Prost Nov 14 '22

Not only wasn't he on pole, but Leclerc, who was still a major threat for the WDC and ahead of him in the rankings, was on pole, and Charles' team-mate was also ahead of him. Crashing to ensure both would start in the front row in Monaco of all places sounds very stupid, idk why everyone is ignoring that while talking about of this incident.

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u/Scrubosaur_rex McLaren Nov 14 '22

Plus the fact that with the crash potential gearbox change or any other damage could drop him even further behind

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u/SonicsLV McLaren Nov 14 '22

Yeah, the most nonsensical thing about the allegation is what is the motive for Perez to crash? He's still behind both Ferrari which still very competitive with RB at that time. There's no reason to risk a crash and investigation just to get 3rd place in Monaco, when at worst he'll be easy 4th anyway.

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u/sundark94 Juan Pablo Montoya Nov 14 '22

I think it's just an retaliation by Dutch media (funny that Van Haren was the guy to "break" it) after Perez's radio and interview to Spanish media.

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u/DoxedFox Red Bull Nov 14 '22

Some of their tweets predate the incident on track. Which is why Erik talks about people who follow him for awhile know what he's talking about.

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u/thenochroot Nov 14 '22

Brundle knew it was about Monaco as soon as it happened and said as much on the broadcast. So there's no way Dutch media just invented it after the Perez interview.

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u/mosephjoseph Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

The thing I don't understand is did Max actually see Checo as an actual threat? I remember when all this was going down people were talking about Checo in title contention but there was never a doubt that Max would still beat him. Like it was only a thought experiment. But was Max actually worried that Checo would beat him??

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u/NoTrollGaming Max Verstappen Nov 14 '22

He supposedly admitted it after Monaco and the rumour was also supposedly spreading throughout the paddock the whole time

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u/HendoJay Nico Hülkenberg Nov 14 '22

Doesn't every crash get investigated though? With the amount of available data I can't imagine it wouldn't be figured out and penalized on the Saturday night.

Or that there wod be six months of nothing. If the Monaco story is true, I just don't see how it avoids significant reporting until now.

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u/Scrubosaur_rex McLaren Nov 14 '22

So he crashed on purpose to give Scuderia 1-2 start? Shout out to my G Perez!!

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u/NoTrollGaming Max Verstappen Nov 14 '22

Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of posts here about the telemetry and they’ve “found” weird stuff too but it’s always impossible to claim he did it on purpose ig

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u/Ld511 Nov 14 '22

Especially considering "I was pushing harder and trying something else to gain time" is a completely valid point

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u/Dismal-Philosopher-4 Nov 14 '22

I agree it's pretty much impossible. Telemetry can be weird but people make mistakes, we are not robots. Like with crashgate the only way you can prove it is pretty much if the perpetrator would admit to it.

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u/I2eflex Nov 14 '22

Lol no way he admitted it to anyone

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u/Elia_31 BMW Sauber Nov 14 '22

But why did Perez unfollow Max on ig just a few days ago?

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u/absoluteragequeen Sergio Pérez Nov 14 '22

It’s worth mentioning he (or the person who handles his IG) unfollowed the accounts that didn’t follow him back. Funnily enough, this also included Lewis and Fernando, so not exactly a petty move from him.

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u/blackthrn McLaren Nov 14 '22

this adds a lot of context and removes the ‘drama’ of him unfollowing max, but i found it odd that max didn’t follow his teammate anyway tbh

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u/AnTastySammich Nov 14 '22

It sounds more like something he would have said as a joke

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u/McRibEater Nov 14 '22

Is there anyway Max can break a single season all time points record or something? I’m just wondering if there is something else he’s shooting for.

Edit: No he’s already broken it in Mexico. I just don’t get it then.

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u/hurtbowler Pirelli Hard Nov 14 '22

Such a pointless record as well

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u/GreenPlasticWaterCan Alpine Nov 14 '22

Especially since there are more (sprint) races and therefor points than ever.

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u/eugene-fraxby Nov 14 '22

Stay classy Max.

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u/KatKold Carlos Sainz Nov 13 '22

“I think it’s more important as a team now that we finally sat together, altogether, and we really put everything on the table, and we move forward. We go to Abu Dhabi, of course we want to win the race, but also if there’s a chance to help Checo I will, but that’s why it was important we had this meeting now.”

I’m struggling to understand what he’s saying here.

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u/A5TR0NAUT Nov 13 '22

Sounds like there were some underlying issues that nobody was speaking face to face about. Probably some feelings from both drivers towards the other and it was passive aggressive stuff up until this point. Now that Max very explicitly had his moment on the radio they have to hash it out.

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u/hack-a-shaq Pain Week Nov 13 '22 Wholesome Bravo!

“I held a pointless grudge for the last 14 races, decided that even after winning the championship by a mile and my teammate helping me with strategy multiple times that it was time to settle the score because I had a bad race, and now that it’s out of my system we should all be able to work together, if I’m in the mood, next week”

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u/Ecomystic Formula 1 Nov 13 '22

Signed, team principle Max Verstappen. /s

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u/caped_crusader_98 Mercedes Nov 14 '22

Why the /s? No need for that.

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u/pinkzm significantly misunderstood Abu Dhabi Nov 14 '22 Helpful

Ironically his answer to the next question of whether all is okay within the team was "I hope so, we're not babies."

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u/stokesy1999 Nov 13 '22

Basically he's been told by Helmut qnd Christian to keep his mouth shut cos he could cost Red Bull a lot of money in the constructors depending on how much they knew

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u/ezekieru Mika Häkkinen Nov 13 '22

I guess it's kind of a, "It's all about sending a message." The message being, not giving him the place even via team orders.

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u/tomdyer422 Sebastian Vettel Nov 13 '22

A whole lot of nothing.

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u/montxogandia Nov 14 '22

Previous quote on the article:

“That’s why I first went to speak to the team before I came here. We put everything on the table why, and I gave my reasons. I’m not going to say why, but I think they understood. I already explained it to them before, so it was not new to me, and not new to them,” said Verstappen.

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u/Elrond007 I survived Spa 2021 Nov 13 '22

Do you know that meme with the dude loading the shotgun "shame". Absolute disasterclass on and off track today lol

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u/_yoshiii Sebastian Vettel Nov 13 '22

Red Bull's PR team pulling overtime today...

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u/Elrond007 I survived Spa 2021 Nov 13 '22

And you'd think he'd have it easy learning from Horner

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u/christoy123 Murray Walker Nov 14 '22

Put some respect on Nick Frost’s name!

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u/alexzilla408 Guenther Steiner Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Is it true, that there's a spot in man's brain, that if you shoot it, it explodes?

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u/SaturnRocketOfLove BMW Sauber Nov 14 '22

Wait, are you talking about the GIF of Danny from Hot Fuzz?

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u/edis92 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Speaking of memes, you know the meme of 50 Cent saying "that shit is crazy, I... I really don't like that guy"? I'm still deciding whether that's Checo, Max, or both of them today lmao

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u/Rirruto10 Toto Wolff Nov 14 '22

That is so fucking petty it this is truly the reason Max would not yield today.

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u/gerbileleventh Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

I’m starting to get a feeling that Max was in a bad mood the entire weekend and I can’t tell if it’s simply because the car wasn’t on point due to the heat or because (my banana theory) Hamilton getting honorary citizenship probably put the Piquets in such a foul mood that it spilled over into Max (as in, Kelly and fam were extra annoying, probably wanted him to be publicly seen in some place to prove a point against Hamilton, like they tried to do on social media).

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u/Dxgy Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '22

Final nail in the coffin that says “Brazil likes your championship rival more than their own world champion”

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u/lxs0713 Sergio Pérez Nov 14 '22

Don't forget that Checo said his family's favorite driver is Hamilton. Maybe this theory isn't as outlandish as it seems

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u/redarrow992 Nov 14 '22

Checo playing mind games for 2023 already. He is playing chess while we all playing checkers

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u/serioxha Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

Lol I didn't hear that, that's cute - especially with how friendly papa Checo and papa Hamilton are. Perez also called Lewis one of the top 2 drivers of all time after Lewis won WDC no. 7

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u/SaltyJebus McLaren Nov 14 '22

And the fact that the person who gave Hamilton the honorary citizenship (I forgot the name, sorry) called him an 8-time world champion.

Really shows that Max isn't as popular globally as RB makes him out to be.

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u/gerbileleventh Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

For real. While AD21 never stopped being controversial, it’s like in the past few months (since cost cap controversy?) the discussions and the questioning of Max’s championship have increased outside of social media.

Never thought that Max would feel personally affected by it, since he acts so aloof with the media but since he boycotted Sky I’ve started to think the opposite.

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u/GokuSaidHeWatchesF1 Nov 14 '22

They tried to do on social media?

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u/gerbileleventh Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

Yeah,Piquet Junior decided to leave comments on instagram posts about Hamilton’s honorary citizenship claiming that Lewis barely knew the country and only came to race, unlike Verstappen who had actually vacationed in Brazil and took time to se the “natural beauty” of the country.

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u/Wolo_prime Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

It brings warmth to my heart knowing the Piquets are somewhere fuming

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u/gerbileleventh Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

The past weeks must have been the worse for them, between Piquet Sr losing his job as Bolsonaro’s “driver “ and Hamilton’s honourable citizenship and outspoken love from the citizens (even towards his dog).

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u/GokuSaidHeWatchesF1 Nov 14 '22

Lmao shambles every where

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u/Kronzor_ Max Verstappen Nov 13 '22

I love the air quotes on “reasons”.

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u/CYJAN3K Nov 13 '22

because he didnt give any, he said he had them

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u/MathematicianOk4905 Nov 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Ham set a point that he isn’t backing out for max now. And now max knows he can’t stick his noise anywhere and expect Lewis to move over. Let’s see how the future goes lol

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u/ArkGuardian Carlos Sainz Nov 14 '22

I think Max has known of at least a year. It just hasn't come up since the cars have been mismatched. Neither of them will yield. I fully expect them to come together more often if they have the cars underneath them.

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u/vveenston Nov 14 '22

Max and Lewis with other drivers don't have any issues. Anytime they come together it's a game of chicken and I fucking love it. They're on another level at the moment.

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u/Yung_Chloroform Nov 14 '22

I think this really started in Imola and only escalated at Silverstone. It was quite respectful but Lewis at a certain point realized he can't just leave extra space for Max because he'll never come out on top if he does.

The end result? An unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.

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u/UniqueFix9 Nov 14 '22

Also by this quote from Max "I just went for it, he didn’t leave me space so I knew we were gonna get together" you can tell how Max thinks.

Basically in his world if he makes the decision to "go for it" the other driver has two options: give him space or crash.

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u/Southportdc McLaren Nov 14 '22

Feels like Max often does crazy shit one way or another in Brazil.

2016 drive, pushing Ocon, that display of "defending" last year, and now this weekend.

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u/2002lotusEspiritV8 Nooo where is my Pedro Gaseoso flair??? ;( Nov 14 '22

It's not only Max. There's just something about Brazil that makes everyone lose their minds and forget how to drive, it seems. And that's why we love it.

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u/frikandeloorlog Max Verstappen Nov 14 '22

exactly, before this weekend I said to my wife, Brazil you need to watch, it's always one of the most interesting races of the year. Brazil did not disappoint

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u/IronPedal Nov 14 '22

George just casually having a perfect points weekend after binning it in the gravel in a really bizarre way.

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u/moonkey2 Nov 14 '22

I always find myself in a berserker rage whenever I remember I live in Brazil. And to make things worse when max is here I imagine he gets dragged into seeing his father in law.. so I don’t blame him for going around with sheer violence in his blood

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u/ArkGuardian Carlos Sainz Nov 13 '22

Max is such a dumbass here I can't fathom it.

If what he is saying is true, he's just given cause to the FIA and media to take away an RB win for literally no benefit to him.

If it's false, he's severely damaged his working relationship with Checo and the team, and their reputation as a partnership.

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u/frikandeloorlog Max Verstappen Nov 14 '22

yes, this is a lose-lose situation. I doubt there is more going on that has not leaked yet.

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u/Mitches_bitches Nov 14 '22

He also got 2 points on his license for it, at the time I thought it was a bit harsh, now not so much

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u/ArkGuardian Carlos Sainz Nov 14 '22

that was due to his collision, not the team orders

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u/Key_Environment8179 Nov 14 '22

I think he was referring to other thing he said, that he knew he was gonna crash into Lewis but just went for it anyway.

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u/Tre3beard Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

That's his attitude towards every incident

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u/ShanTheMan1995 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

You yield or we crash

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u/delvalle31 Nov 14 '22

Everybody keeps going back to Monaco but it doesnt make sense that Checo would do that. Ferrari got a 1-2 and Checo behind them. Even if the Monaco thing was true, it still doesnt make sense especially when Checo did so much to help Max win in 2021. Hate to say it but we'll prolly never hear his reasoning behind not letting him by today.

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u/Ambitious-Ad6900 Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '22

Max did not actually say what those reasons are, in case anyone is letting themselves go based on the title of the article.

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u/kneedragger3013 Nov 14 '22

Ferrari will do more help Checo best CL than MV.

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u/bringinthefembots Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

Is F1 now like middle school now? You did this to me and I would do this to you?

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u/GokuSaidHeWatchesF1 Nov 14 '22

If you're max or Horner itis

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u/Mead_Man_Detroit Nov 14 '22

He's a spoiled baby, in my eyes.

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u/asiananimal Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

How long until Max boycotts the media for repeatedly asking for these "REASONS"?

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u/Macktologist Christian Horner Nov 14 '22

Straight to head butt mode.

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u/FlyingKittyCate McLaren Nov 14 '22

You guys don't ask that again to me. Okay, are we clear about that?

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u/asiananimal Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Won’t be a part of drive to survive, won’t talk about the controversy of 2021, won’t talk about being a duche to his teammate. What will he talk about? Kelly?

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u/El_Cactus_Loco Nov 14 '22

Oh his girlfriend who supported a literal fascist for Brazilian presidency?

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u/action_turtle Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Such a lovely group of people! Be nice if he was close to retirement, sick of the kid and everything around him already, and we have what, 10 more years of this shit, minimum.

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u/Snappy0 Nov 14 '22

Nah. If RB go back to being the third best or barely second best team, he'll take his ball and go home.

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u/Mobile_Candy7678 Nov 14 '22

Max has always been this person. We shouldn’t be surprised

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u/Peeche94 Lando Norris Nov 14 '22

Verstappen's true selfish colours shone today. Always gave me that vibe since he started, he needs to grow up & get humbled.

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u/CarpenterBeeWoodwork Formula 1 Nov 14 '22 Silver

Because Max has not yet matured after 7 seasons of F1 racing and is used to things being handed to him?

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u/saschajf Nov 14 '22

You can all say what you want but verstappen is not a good sportsman. It’s always him first and it’s never his fault. I just don’t like him.

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u/Warchitecture Nov 14 '22

I would have defended him before but he can go fuck himself now

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u/poundhoarder Max Verstappen Nov 14 '22

Sorry, Max is admitting to deliberately crashing into another car to prevent them from winning. How isn’t there further punishment?

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u/JoeKleine Nov 13 '22

Lost a lot of respect for Max after today.

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u/Realistic_Arugula704 Nov 14 '22

This is why I lost a lot of respect for max years ago, and will never cheer for him. This has always been who he is.

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u/ThePhotoGuyUpstairs Sir Jack Brabham Nov 14 '22

The amount of people who would overlook his endless bullshit, simply because they decided he was exciting, or to be honest, simply didn't like Hamilton (be it for racial reasons, or they just didn't like seeing the same guy winning or whatever) is astonishing.

The guys been showing everyone who he is since he was in junior formula. I get his dads a complete ball-sack and he's probably had a shitty upbringing, but at some point you've got to stop enabling and forgiving this kind of behaviour.

The media treating him like he's the second coming of Jim Clark and Ayrton Senna doesn't help.

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u/DropTablePosts Super Aguri Nov 14 '22

Why? It is how he has always been.

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u/LockAByeBaby McLaren Nov 13 '22

But why? He's always been that way, how did you not notice?

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u/Hilazza Anthoine Hubert Nov 14 '22

People really should have noticed how his personality is after the podium ceremony in jeddah last year after his abysmal driving standard and him still being sour and angry.

People shouldn't really be surprised by some of his traits when his father is jos who was ready to leave when max was losing the championship mid race in abu dhabi last year.

Contrast that to Lewis and anthony who still went up to congratulate Max and jos after losing the championship due to controversy.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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u/LordLorditon Formula 1 Nov 14 '22

A deserved DSQ in Jeddah might have made Max think about his actions.

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u/DanWainwright21 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '22

Agreed.

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u/takingtheAtrain Nov 13 '22

Clearly love is blind

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u/symckr Alexander Albon Nov 13 '22

He was worse tbh, he just had no competition and was relaxed now he is going back to his roots to prepare for the next season.

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u/redarrow992 Nov 14 '22

Merc wins just 1 race and shit has hit the fan lmao

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u/OTBT- Fernando Alonso Nov 14 '22

Because he was winning (against Hamilton).

Winning helps people to ignore flaws and problems.

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u/Gom8z Nov 14 '22

It's funny. I remember Vettel being this lovely character and I've really grown to like him in his later years but under pressure he has cracked a few times and show a really underhanded side (at least thats my opinion on it), but yet Max seems to show a similar ruthless side even in times when there is no real stress or pressure.

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u/GokuSaidHeWatchesF1 Nov 14 '22

Adds up this for sure

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u/NoahManiacal Mercedes Nov 14 '22

How do you say Bullshit in Dutch?

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u/Lovushka François Cevert Nov 14 '22

lol

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u/vnnair123 Charles Leclerc Nov 14 '22

How I look at the Lewis max incident is, Lewis was on the outside line, the faster and grippier one. He’s gonna be able to put the power down faster and will also be in a better place than max for the next turn. This in contrast to max, who was pinched against the corner and would have been out of place for next corner and wouldn’t be fast because he’d have had to correct his line. For these reason, I feel max should have lifted out of throttle and let Lewis go since it was Lewis’s corner.

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u/Bagelz567 Fernando Alonso Nov 14 '22

I've been saying this would happen all year. RBR showing their true colors as the unsportsmanlike sore winners/losers they always have been.

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u/mikraas Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '22

i bet his daddy is pleased as punch for his little boy.

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u/thmt11 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

I thought Max changed this year. He kepted it clean with Russell saturday but with Lewis he didn't give a fuck. And what he did to Perez. I can't defend this unsportsmanship and dirty attitude anymore.

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u/MasterWis Nov 14 '22

Reason: I am an entitled champion who got helped 20 times over 2 championships by my team mate, but because 1 time he didn’t hand me on the plater what I wanted - I get back to him

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u/noodlegirl1126 Nov 14 '22

He has always been a jackass

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u/Tohrazer Nov 13 '22

Max was carrying the speed lewis had on the outside, on the inside (he has to make a sharper turn and should be going slower, not faster), note how they both flew off the track after the contact cos of the momentum max was carrying. Max was never making the corner at that speed from the inside without going off the track and punting Lewis into the grass/wall.

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u/omniphobe Nov 14 '22

Word salad nonsense. Max might as well be a politician with his meaningless answers.

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u/TheOnlyEn Lotus Nov 14 '22

So Max is mad at Checo for crashing in Q3 in Monaco…? Why?

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