r/formula1 • u/Darren-B80 • Nov 09 '22
BREAKING: FIA to utilise new technology to crackdown on social media abuse Misc
https://racingnews365.com/breaking-fia-to-utilise-new-technology-to-crackdown-on-social-media-abuse799
u/Elrond007 I survived Spa 2021 Nov 09 '22
In their trial period of the AI technology, Mercedes found that toxic and unwanted comments were reduced by around 70% across their social media channels. The end product was that "29.4% of followers felt more confident to comments and no longer put off by unsavoury content," according to an FIA statement.
I assume it is a software that automatically removes/bans toxic content?
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u/FaultySky Ferrari Nov 09 '22
Yeah, no clue what else it could be. Theres literally nothing else you can do to stop it, apart from removing and banning.
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u/Macktologist Christian Horner Nov 09 '22
Honestly, I just think more media should not include a comment section. People can read the article/tweet for the sake of input. End of exchange. There is no need for output from the receiving source. I get that’s what make Twitter Twitter but it’s toxic and it’s not all that important in the grand scheme of things. People are better off discussing things privately with friends.
Is it ironic I’m commenting here? I don’t think so, because Reddit is a comment forum. Twitter is used to disseminate information and ads for companies, etc.
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u/The_Traveller101 Nov 09 '22
Honestly, I just think more media should not include a comment section
I totally agree but it’s so funny that we’ve gone full circle back to one way communication like ye olden days.
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u/Macktologist Christian Horner Nov 09 '22
I still think there is a time and place for discussion and discourse but we have proven we are unable to keep it civil through online chatter and unfortunately, that method is running off on people and leaking into face to face exchanges.
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u/The_Traveller101 Nov 09 '22
Yeah discussion only works until a certain critical mass is reached or until there’s no enforcement of community guidelines. That’s why Reddit works because the communitys moderate themselves somewhat.
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u/dirtyhappythoughts Max Verstappen Nov 09 '22
I think the best way to make online discussions somewhat bearable is to make them more personal, like Discord and Skype where you talk to people in closed groups or 1-on-1, or less personal like Reddit where your only value is your contributions. Most other platforms quickly become about clout.
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u/luchajefe Mario Andretti Nov 09 '22
Not the company's fault that people can't behave themselves.
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u/The_Traveller101 Nov 09 '22
No of course it isn’t. I think it’s instagrams fault for not moderating rigorously.
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u/sausage_kerb Kimi Räikkönen Nov 09 '22
Beats the twitter advertisement model if people can't post their views, they won't stay on much longer on the platform. Unlike the video content websites like yt or tiktok, twitter flourishes on dissemination+ discourse rather than just dissemination of info
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u/7YearsInUndergrad Nov 09 '22
But comments sections mean people spend more time on the page. More engagement means you're more attractive to advertisers. More advertisers means more money. They're not doing it to foster discourse...
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u/HarryTheGreyhound AlphaTauri Nov 10 '22
Moderated comment is a lot more valued than unmoderated. We come here because we can talk about F1, and whilst people (including me) can be a bit biased towards certain drivers, I've never seen the kind of comments about Lewis, Yuki, or Zhou that have infested some social media platforms.
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u/OnePieceTwoPiece Nov 09 '22
Yahoo finally did that is was nothing but negative comments every single time.
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u/topmarksbrian Nov 09 '22
Reddit is a comment forum.
Reddit is social media
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u/Shomondir Claire Williams Nov 09 '22
Just like the old forums were. Reddit is pretty much Forum 2.0.
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u/Winniepg Nov 10 '22
My local paper ended the comment section years ago as did CBC in Canada. Both have found it to be successful because it no longer gives racists a platform for example.
When it comes to news article tweets, they should limit who can reply to “whoever is mentioned in this tweet” and that’s it. That way they limit who can interact in the replies. It won’t control quote tweets (I don’t think) but it does limit what the social media manager has to deal with.
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u/jfestinger Nov 10 '22
That would be tremendous. Sincerely hope that is exactly what it means. But it won’t. The double standard will prevail.
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u/armyboy941 Andretti Global Nov 09 '22 edited Nov 09 '22
Those 70% of comments were probably just the bots begging you to sub to their content or wanting you to follow you see in every post.
I commented on a pic by RB a few weeks back and got follow requests from so many spam accounts later that day.
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u/_kagasutchi_ Danke Sebastian Nov 09 '22
Maybe an algorithm that searches for key words? Then if such words pop up the post gets removed/acc banned maybe.
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u/bullsfan281 McLaren Nov 09 '22
i love new innovative ai technology that does what can already be done (filtering words on twitter/turning off comments on insta and replies on twitter) but costs 10x more to develop and almost certainly does a worse job
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u/gmoore52 Nov 09 '22
tell me you don't know anything about ai technology without telling me you don't know anything about ai technology
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u/lll-devlin Mattia Binotto Nov 09 '22
Now now, no need for the sarcasm…might earn you a ban
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u/gmoore52 Nov 09 '22
this guy is literally just spreading alarmist misinfo on what ai is, i think the sarcasm is warranted
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u/anonaccountphoto Ferrari Nov 10 '22
Alarmist misinfo? He's completely correct, most "AI" Software is dumb as fuck
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u/ihavenoyukata Green Flag Nov 09 '22
Perhaps it's just censors Sky commentary and eliminates the root of most social media toxicity?
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u/FlappyBored Pirelli Wet Nov 10 '22
They would do more to lower toxicity in the sport by just banning Horner, Marko and RB from giving PR releases or statements.
I actually think the RB Sky ‘boycott’ would have been a net benefit to the sport overall. Sad that it’s coming to an end really.
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u/Auntypasto Jim Clark Nov 10 '22
Nobody had a problem with Sky commentary until RB started bіtchіng about it…
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u/Inquatitis Michael Schumacher Nov 10 '22
Have you not been on reddit F1 for the past two years? Their bias and hostility towards non-British drivers has been a talking point since forever.
Whether that's fair or not is besides the point that at the very least it's not something nobody had a problem with untill recently.
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u/Auntypasto Jim Clark Nov 13 '22
Other than Alonso giving a generic rebuke of "british media" (without any specifics), I don't see where all this criticism of Sky F1 in specific comes from…
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u/YourUndoing Formula 1 Nov 09 '22
it's called stop using Twitter
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u/Thalapeng Alfa Romeo Nov 10 '22
Nah, the toxicity levels are incomparable.
Twitter is basically designed for people to shout at each other without a space for anything deeper.
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u/Thalapeng Alfa Romeo Nov 10 '22
Fair point. I was speaking from my experience of lurking in general threads and subs like this one. If you want to look for toxic ones, you wil surely succeed, but it still feels that on Twitter you cannot avoid it.
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u/EnDiNgOph Fernando Alonso Nov 10 '22
There is a post hating on max 1 day ago with 10k upvotes and 10 rewards but go on.
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u/EnDiNgOph Fernando Alonso Nov 10 '22
You seems like a hateful individual. Must be tough being like this all the time.
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u/nolitos Robert Kubica Nov 10 '22
If your solution to stop toxic behavior on social media is "don't use social media", you have no solution.
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u/UnKnOwN769 Jim Clark Nov 09 '22
€5,000 fine for making toxic comments and 1 penalty point
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u/les_macarons Oscar Piastri Nov 09 '22
€5,000 fine
FIA setting up their lunch fund
and 1 penalty point
What happens when you get 12 points tho?
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u/reck1265 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 09 '22
The bots and scams are getting out of hand. YouTube is Chuck full of them too with the telegram prize scams.
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u/svdb1 Honda Nov 09 '22
F1 Youtube comments are actually surprisingly good most of the time.
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u/keyboard_A Formula 1 Nov 09 '22
maybe on videos with high volume of comments, on videos that are more quiet view/comment wise, comment section will be full of responses with a link to another website or even another video and reporting that shit does nothing, even tho the same guy posted the same shit in 10 different comment threads.
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u/UlsterEternal Pirelli Soft Nov 09 '22
It's mostly boomers remembering races from the old days that leads you down a rabbit hole to another video and another one. It's actually quite refreshing.
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u/HarryTheGreyhound AlphaTauri Nov 10 '22
I got sucked into the insanity of the Jackie Stewart crash at Spa that way.
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u/Tulaodinho Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 09 '22
And instagram with the sex bots. Its out of this world
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u/Apprehensive_Ear770 Nov 09 '22
Can't even track cars/ cranes on track.. neither track limits
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u/les_macarons Oscar Piastri Nov 09 '22
cranes on track
Well, at least now the drivers will be notified abt one, once FIA does notice its presence on the track 🙃
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u/1enox Anthoine Hubert Nov 09 '22
And on what basis will this technology detect whether a given comment is a criticism or a hate ?
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u/MrZibbles Nov 09 '22
I think disabling comments on posts is the only way you're not going to get hate on these sites.
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u/RepresentativeMeet95 Juan Manuel Fangio Nov 09 '22
People are not that complex, i don't think the rethoric of hate coments and harassment are that deep and hard to identify.
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u/tempusomnia Max Verstappen Nov 09 '22
I beg to differ. Remember the Nelson piquet discussion and how polarized it was.
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u/FerrariStraghetti Kimi Räikkönen Nov 09 '22
It wasn't the contents that polarized people, it was the reaction of fans attacking people not named Piquet.
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u/Joepk0201 Nov 09 '22
No, they attacked anyone that didn't agree with their opinion of every single member of Piquet's family, Max and Red Bull being racist.
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u/rpolic Nov 09 '22
BY that logic, no one should support Sir Lewis Hamilton who is a monarchy supporter, especially a monarchy responsible for the worst atrocities in history
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u/chris-drm Nov 10 '22
The English monarchy is responsible for the worst atrocities in history? Have you missed the 20th century? When the queen died, people where even calling her out on slavery when LH paid his respects, forgetting that they abolished it decades before the US.
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u/rpolic Nov 10 '22
So you accept that people were calling out the monarchy responsible for the worst atrocities which my country was also a victim of. So as a consequence it would be right of us to call Sir Lewis out for his support of the monarchy
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u/tempusomnia Max Verstappen Nov 09 '22
The family sure seems to target him in particular. Which became even more evident after last week. Regardless it just shows how the majority does not consider it as black and white as you’d consider. Of course there are more example over the course of the last 21 & 22 season.
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u/NegotiationExternal1 🐎 Horsey McHorse Nov 09 '22
Rodrigo Piquet had a story bashing Lewis yesterday. Called it shameful Lewis was talking with a black Brazilian who I think was a drag queen as part of his meeting of community members. The whole family is hateful af
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u/n200518 Carlos Sainz Nov 09 '22
Hard to believe that Max and RBR still support that racist family and they even have black people in the team
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u/tempusomnia Max Verstappen Nov 09 '22
I’m not discussing the content but just used it as example. I don’t intend to sparkle another debate if it’s off topic.
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u/liitle-mouse-lion Nov 09 '22
It's OK. They clearly.missed your point. Would the AI be removing those comments because they misunderstood someone and went on a rant about it?
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u/tempusomnia Max Verstappen Nov 09 '22
I don’t know, considering the downvotes, they rather talk about the story itself rather than the point I tried to make, unfortunately… I could’ve used so many other examples…
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u/dl064 McLaren Nov 09 '22
I think this boils down to the definition of abuse in this context.
Writing 'I for one politely agree with Piquet' is not abuse, here. It is unpleasant and effectively similar, and you/I may agree it's vile, but it is distinct from writing 'I think Hamilton is a....' which can be easily filtered.
I think the majority of what they'd remove would be the latter.
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u/cleaningProducts Mika Häkkinen Nov 09 '22
I think there are some obvious key words and sequences of words that you could safely assume are not being used to provide constructive criticism. An AI program could also be “trained” on a sample set of confirmed toxic comments/tweets fairly easily, I would think.
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u/dl064 McLaren Nov 09 '22
Twitter already has an unknown system for identifying abuse. It works reasonably well, I guess because a huge amount of abuse tends to have relatively stock phrases or structures.
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u/Darksoldierr Michael Schumacher Nov 09 '22
Imagine FIA telling you what you are allowed to comment while having no issues racing in Saudi Arabia during a rebellion next street or Baku during a war
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u/ajacian Red Bull Nov 09 '22
Absolutely or 3GPs in the USA when they drop bombs on weddings from drones
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u/Mr_not_Lucky McLaren Nov 09 '22
FIA to utilize new technology to crackdown on …. *excitement* …. social media abuse *FUCK*
I was hoping it was going to be about policing tracking limits.
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u/DLoFoSho Lando Norris Nov 09 '22
Who decides what’s toxic?
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Being in the ML space, we all are probably going to decide what is toxic. Typically they scrap forums or subreddits and assign downvote/upvote counts to each post, then treat heavily downvoted or outright banned posts as "toxic". A training set is prepared from this and fed to ML classifiers that are then run on live posts, yielding a value between 0 and 1 as a probability that a post is toxic. The forum admin then can decide to ban any posts where the value is over certain threshold, e.g. 90%.
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u/dasUberSoldat Nov 09 '22
Great to finally see the FIA making significant efforts to crack down on social media abuse, whilst intentionally and deliberately ignoring the much less important human rights abuse being committed by their partners.
Everyone knows there is no money in social media abuse!
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u/MegaPint549 Nov 10 '22
They will be policing the social media rules harshly but only at Turns 4 and 9
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u/Shaddix-be Pierre Gasly Nov 10 '22
Why is this "breaking"? It's just a startup that sold their "fancy" social media software to the FIA because one of their VC's probably knew someome on the FIA board...
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u/JForce1 Ferrari Nov 10 '22
“John Spartan you are fined 1 credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute”
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u/1step2many Sergio Pérez Nov 09 '22
cartman singing "saaafe spaaace" vibes
yea it does suck and people go way over the line, but where does the censorship stop?
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u/AffectionateCraft Nov 10 '22
This is not censorship. You’re free to spew whatever garbage you want, but no one is obligated to listen.
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u/Tarryk Nov 09 '22
wow, twitter and meta are going to pay them billions for that technology and solution to a problem thye couldn't solve since usenet (if anyone even remembers those).
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u/mdewals Minardi Nov 10 '22
And it will be mainly used on hateful and unfavorable comments regarding sprint races so they can continue to push the big lie about how popular sprint races are
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u/DepPet_syw Robert Kubica Nov 10 '22
... Isn't it funny that they are doing this now, in a time of intense FIA bashing?
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u/EscortSportage McLaren Nov 10 '22
What did i miss? I keep seeing all these posts about something some said on social media,
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u/KyloRen___ Michael Schumacher Nov 09 '22
Have they tried using new technology to crack down on off tracks ?
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u/Paukwa-Pakawa Nov 10 '22
So they'll ban Horner and Marko? How will this work, won't it infringe on their rights?
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u/LesterBurnham5550199 Nov 10 '22
Hate to be that person but we really are moving into ‘you can’t say anything anymore’ territory.
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u/FazeHC2003 Mercedes Nov 10 '22
Pretty sure u can say whatever just that ppl aren't obliged to listen to it sorta thing
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But isn’t that the opposite of what’s happening here. They’re listening, and taking notes
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u/anonymousnuisance Red Bull Nov 09 '22 edited Nov 09 '22
Don't most social media companies have auto-moderating software? I know on Instagram you can auto-hide comments that include certain words/phrases. Maybe the ai software recognizes hateful comments specifically and can delete them right away?
But also with Twitter, they can't delete replies. They can hide them, but checking Twitter they don't have any hidden replies on recent tweets? And I'm assuming Twitter is the worst when it comes to hateful comments.
Also isn't the issue more about DMs and death threats? So are these also linked to the driver's accounts and accessing their DMs for death threats? Curious what exactly this is doing.
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They have a video at the bottom so I checked it out. Looks like it auto-hides and auto-mutes hateful comments and rates them. So maybe there's some extra features verified accounts on Twitter get? Not sure. Either way, less hate is good.
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u/NegotiationExternal1 🐎 Horsey McHorse Nov 09 '22
I do think they should encourage teams to block certain posters, I’d moderate for free some people are such pricks they deserve it.
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u/DCohen16 Daniel Ricciardo Nov 09 '22
I would guess by summer break next year, f1 will just turn off comments on all their post/social
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u/TirePunctureR1 Sergio Pérez Nov 10 '22
Basically the FIA is using the tech that Saudi Arabia uses to crack down protesters.
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u/HarryNohara Jim Clark Nov 09 '22
The better option is simply to disable comments on instagram and not posting at all on Twitter.
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u/NegotiationExternal1 🐎 Horsey McHorse Nov 09 '22
I disagree, they get a lot of good content and fan ideas there, it just comes with waves of assholes.
There’s also botting campaigns that are getting out of control
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u/Legitimate-Umpire137 Nov 09 '22
What a great niche use of technology that must mean they've got everything within the sport covered by software now. Can't wait for the automated track limits across every corner that they're about to announce.
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u/ajacian Red Bull Nov 09 '22
It's almost like.... Hold on... Different people can do different things. It's like why find a vaccine for COVID-19 when we haven't even cured cancer
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u/lll-devlin Mattia Binotto Nov 09 '22
I’m sure pretty soon …deep down in the fine print there will be something saying and allowing the FiA and this company to track, block and maintain a data base of all your IP addresses … so that all VPN’s can start paying fees …for not being blocked of course under the guise of controlling the vitriol …you say?
Can we say censorship…
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u/Howard_Cosine Nov 10 '22
What does this even mean? And no offense to any drivers or team members, but is there a more sensitive group of millionaires? What exactly will constitute “abuse”?
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u/jfestinger Nov 10 '22
Looks like censorship from the President of the FIA who himself comes from a country well schooled in shutting down the voices of others, especially women. Bet he would consider that abusive when it’s clearly factual. That’s the point.
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u/AffectionateCraft Nov 10 '22
Ah, yes. And all speech is just a movement of air particles. Why get upset at anything ever?
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u/sigmmakappa McLaren Nov 09 '22
$8 verification ribbon to comment... oh, wait
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u/hypoglycemic_hippo Nov 09 '22
More like $180/GP ... this is FIA we are talking about afterall. The bot would have a higher wage than 90% of the human population.
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u/M3rdsta Nov 09 '22
I'm expecting ip adress tracking drone strikes otherwise ill be dissapointed.